Newnhams of Herstmonceux & Whatmans of Hailsham

[Bergkamp]

Hello there,

I am trying to find out about my grandparents' families on my Mother's side.

My grandfather was Thomas Whatman 1908-1998 born in Hailsham and my grandmother was Constance Whatman 1910-1995 born in Herstmonceux.

From what I've found out so far Thomas's parents were Thomas b.1872 and Esther b.1868 and
Constance's parents were Thomas b.1881 and Florence b.1883.

Would be grateful if anybody had any further information on the above and further back.

Regards,

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi there Bergkamp

Welcome to Rootschat and especially the sussex boards

Found this on the 1901 census

RG13/ 888/ Folio 5/ Page 1 - Hays Cottages, Hurstmonceux
 
Stephen Newnham, 49, born Hooe, Sussex, Head - Trug Basket Maker.
Sarah Newnham, 59, born Heathfield, Sussex, Wife.   
Rosa Anna Newnham, 22, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Daughter - General Servant.   
Thomas Newnham, 20, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Son - Brickyard Labourer.
Ernest Newnham, 18, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Son - Carter on Farm.   
Herbert Newnham, 16, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Son.

Chris in 1066 
 

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi Again

1891 census

RG12/ 776/ Folio 92/ Page 5 - Gardner Street, Hurstmonceux

Newnham, Stephen Vadler, 39, born Hooe, Sussex, Head. - Basket Maker
Newnham, Sarah, 48, born Heathfield, Sussex, Wife.
Newnham, Rosa Ann, 12, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Daughter
Newnham, Thomas Richard, 10, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Son.
Newnham, Ernest Albert, 8, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Son.   
Newnham, Herbert, 6, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Son.
     
Living next door to them is:-
Newnham, Stephen, 60, born 1831 Maresfield, Sussex, Head - Shoemaker.

Chris in 1066   

[gougy]

Hi,

here's the 1881 census for the only Thomas WHATMAN b.1872

Spilstead, Sedlescombe, Sussex
RG11/1033 Folio 17 Page 9

Henry WHATMAN Head 36 Ag Lab  Brede, Sussex
Sarah WHATMAN Wife  35 Ag Lab  Brede, Sussex
Henry WHATMAN Son   12 Scholar  Brede, Sussex
Thomas WHATMAN Son  9  Scholar  Brede, Sussex
Annie WHATMAN Dau      5  Scholar  Brede, Sussex
Bertha WHATMAN Dau     1               Brede, Sussex

[gougy]

And a possible marriage for Henry Senior on FreeBMD..

Marriages Dec Quarter 1866 - Rye District - Vol 2b page 3

on same page are...Henry WHATMAN and Sarah A. FURMINGER


btw - Rye District covers Brede

 

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi again

1881 census details

It now gets a bit confusing as one of the children is with her grand parents, but still in Gardner Street, Hurstmonceux - but the name is now NEWMAN

Sarah Duly, 60, born Hailsham, Sussex, Head.
Hannah Duly, 20, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Daughter.
Rosetta Duly, 18, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Daughter.
Rosa Newman, 2, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Granddaughter

Chris in 1066

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi

In 1881, living next door in Gardner Street , Herstmonceux is the following

Stephen Newman, 29, born Hooe, Sussex, Head - Trug Basket Maker
Fanny Newman, 36, born Wartling, Sussex, Wife. 
George L. Newman, 11, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Son.
Sarah Newman, 4, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Daughter.
Thomas Newman, 7 months, born Herstmonceux, Sussex, Son

Thomas is there as is his father Stephen - but it looks as though the wife in the other census (Sarah) is not his mother, as we have a different wife on this one - Fanny.  As you can also see, the surname is spelt Newman
I wonder if Fanny's maiden name is Duly?

Chris in 1066

[gougy]

If my 1881 posting was the right family you are looking for, here are some links to family tree pages you might find useful..

http://genforum.genealogy.com/whatman/messages/8.html

http://www.thefurmingerfamilytree.co.uk/Furminger_Tree.htm

"SARAH ANNA FURMINGER born 31 Aug 1845
She married HENRY WHATMAN 20 Dec 1866 i Rye
Children of SARAH FURMINGER and HENRY WHATMAN are:
       i. HENRY WHATMAN, b. 1869, Brede, East Sussex, England.
      ii. THOMAS WHATMAN, b. 1872, Brede, East Sussex, England.
     iii. ANNIE WHATMAN, b. 1876, Brede, East Sussex, England.
     iv. BERTHA WHATMAN, b. 1880, Brede, East Sussex, England"

http://www.kent-opc.org.uk/Furminger_tree.htm#117

and this link is definitely your Newnhams.. complete with Stephen's two wives Fanny DULY (well guessed Chris) and Sarah REEVES
 
http://www.fatherpie.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ghtout/gp1130.html

and his parents...

http://www.fatherpie.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ghtout/gp357.html

[gnosis67]

Hi all,

I'm new to this family tree m'larkey, but it just so happens I AM a Newnham from Herstmonceux!!

My parents still live amile down the road from the village (but I'm now in France).

I think I need to make one correction: according to my sources (ie. a friend of mine that can afford subscriptions to genealogy sites..) Stephen VIDLER Newnham's first wife was Fanny LULHAM (b. 1847). The VIDLER part of his name was his mothers maiden name.
S.V. married Fanny in 1876, then remarried as a widower in 1889, to Sarah Reeves.
S.V. would be my Great Grandfather.

The little info I have after this is a tad sketchy, but his son Herbert was my Grandfather. Some of the names in your research are new to me in this context, but have floated around for some time!

Anyway, hope this is of use.

Regards. Tim