John Swift born 1842 Greasborough

[moo]

I am looking for help in breaking down my brickwall.

I have a John Swift born 1842 Greasborough, but I am unable to find him on the 1851 Census.
On the 1861 Census I have him as aged 19 unmarried and living with an Aunt, birth place Bradford. I did manage to trace the Aunt and this is my John Swift.
I am not able to find him in the 1871 census, but I do have a marriage certificate 1872 . The details are as follows :-

5th November 1872 Registrer Office Wakefield
John Swift aged 30, Batchelor, Brickmaker
Residence Netherton in Shittlington
there is a line through Father's name and Surname.
Jane Brook aged 32 Widow same residence Netherton Shittlington
Father George Talbot Labourer deceased.

On the 1881 Census gives him as aged 38, living at fox's Row, Shitlington, with his children Martha Ann and Charles William, Jane's children by her first marriage.
Then in the 1891 Census his children are living with an Aunt and Uncle in Soothill. On his son Charles's marriage certificate 1900 it gives his name as John Hodgson Swift, Bricklayer deceased, but on the 1901 census John appears as a 60 year, old widow , Stone Quarryman living at Bell Lane Ackworth.

Can anyone out there help me find his birth, and John on the 1851,71,91 census.

I would appreciate any and all ideas of where to go from here.

Many Thanks

Marion Morpeth

[hlb]

Hi Marion,

Don't know whether this will help or confuse.

On familysearch.org There's a JOhn Swift christened June 12th 1842 in Greasbrough to Martha Swift.

In 1851 (H0107/2348) I found a John Swift b. about 1843 in Rotherham (same district as Greasbrough, Awkley (or could be spelt Auckley), living with

Jane Hurst Head b. 1782 Awkley (partly in Notts. partly in Yorks.)
Peter Hurst b. 1829 Awkley (son)
Ann Hurst b. 1823 Awkley (daughter)
John Swift b. 1843 Rotherham (grandson)

Then in 1861 RG9/3506
White Lion Inn, 50 College Rd. Kimberworth (again all in the same district)
John Hodgson b. 1821 Awkley Head
Ann Elizabeth Hodgson b. 1816 Doncaster Wife
Elizabeth Hodgson b. 1854 daughter
Alfred Hurst b. 1825 Awkley lodger
John Swift b. 1843 Greasbrough lodger
William Hall b. 1813 lodger
William Whiteacker b. 1837 lodger
James Broadbent b. 1834 lodger

It was the link of names that made this jump out at me. John being born in Greasbrough. The HODGSON name appearing on his son's marriage cert. The Alfred HURST link to Awkley. All in the same locality.

As for 1871 no luck yet.

This info. maybe totally unrelated, but then it might not.

Take care
Heidi

[moo]

Good Morning Heidi

Thank you for contacting me with the 1861 information. I too wonder whether this is my John, and seeing as how he has the Hodgson name.

However I do have him listed as living with an Aunt in 1861, but having said this, I am now wondering if it is possible for a person who is living between 2 families to be counted twice on the census, because in 1851 (ho107/2326), I found a John Swift Grandson abt 1844 birth Netherton, living in Shitlington with his gran Sarah Swift, which ties in with the 1841 census I was given.

As my geography is really not up too much     would the areas for the 1851 and 1861 tie in ?, and is it possible for information to be given twice?

I still cannot locate him in 1871 either.

Your thoughts on this would be most gratefully received.

Cheers
Marion ( one totally confused Moo)

[hlb]

hi there,

Shitlington is just south of Wakefield. It's now know as Netherton.

Greasbrough & Kimberworth are just north of Rotherham and are a fair distance from Wakefield. Aukley is just south of Doncaster.
mmmmmmm this is puzzling.

People did move about but it's hard to know how much. The thing I've found about the census is that being that it was recorded on an aural basis some things get a bit mixed up, but not sure whether duplications occur. My g-grandfather became Joshua in 1891 census although he was known as John and yet he was baptised William Philip - go figure!?!?! His mother died when he was 3 and he was raised by his maternal grandmother - that was a birds nest to unravel.

I'll dig around again and see what else I can find.

Heidi

[moo]

Thank you Heidi, I really do appreciate all your help.

Marion