Frank Virgin - Adelaide after 1901

[AngelaR]

Hi Folks

I wonder if someone could help or point me in the right direction. My grandad's brother, Frank Virgin emigrated to Australia some time after 1901, as I have him on the census.

All I know about him apart from the fact that he was born 1885 to Henry and Anna Virgin in Thurlbear, Somerset, is that he was in Adelaide at some point. A distant member of the family has a photo taken in Adelaide that purports to be of Frank and his wife (Dulcie?). Family rumour has it that there were children.

I've looked on the Australian national archives website, but to no avail.

If anyone can come up with anything I shal be most grateful 

Angela

[teesdale]

Hi Angela,

The following looks like your Frank's marriage:

Digger - South Australian Marriages, Registrations 1842-1916

Groom: VIRGIN
Given names: Frank
Bride: STAUNTON
Given names: Eva Annie
Date: 1916-03-04
Groom Age: 30
Status: S
Groom's Father: Henry VIRGIN
Bride Age: 30
Status: S
Bride's Father: James STAUNTON
Place: St Pauls Retreat Glen Osmond
District: Ade
Symbol: S
Book/Page: 266/800
Cross Reference:

Can't find any births to 1928  in South Australia for the above couple.

This may be Frank's death - burial record:

Port Pirie Cemetery, South Australia
VIRGIN, FRANK
Surname VIRGIN 
Given Names FRANK 
Section PROTESTANT RESERVE A
Plot/Grave/Niche 24
Last Residence PORT PIRIE
Age at Death 89
Date of Burial 05.03.1974
Minister Officiating REV. HARDY
Funeral Director B A MESCHKE

Comments

Remarks: PATH LEASE:4762 GRAVE

Then also buried with him is:

VIRGIN, DULCIE FOWLER
Surname VIRGIN 
Given Names DULCIE FOWLER 
Section PROTESTANT RESERVE A
Plot/Grave/Niche 24
Last Residence PORT PIRIE
Age at Death 84
Date of Burial 26.10.1983
Minister Officiating REV. THOMPSON
Funeral Director B A MESCHKE

Comments

LEASE:4762 GRAVE:5 AGE TYPE:Y

Looks like maybe he married twice can't find a marriage in SA to 1937

cheers

Carol

[sparrett]

Hi Angela'
I think Frank is on the
 http://www.naa.gov.au    site.

Maybe you could look again, but this is what I saw.
Frank Virgin
Service number 51862
Enlisted Adelaide
Place of birth Tauton England
Next of Kin, wife, Eva Annie Virgin

The location Adelaide may give you a base to search for offspring if it is him.
I just put in virgin and he is on records page 101 to 120.
Good luck. Sue

[AngelaR]

WOW! Rootschatters do it again 

Carol and Sue - thank you both SO much for all that. It certainly looks like my grandad's brother and it's good to have the Dulcie reference confirmed. It's also really good to have Adelaide confirmed as where he lived, so I can hunt for descendants there. 

I'd never heard that he married twice, but then I'd never heard anything at all until recently  I had seen that bit on the national archives, Sue, but had discounted it because of the wrong wife's name. When will I learn not to make assumptions? 

I wonder what happened to Eva Annie - I think I need to get back in touch with the lady who had seen the photo of Frank and Dulcie, to see if we can date it. It might give us an idea for when they married.

Just another query - I notice that you can get copies from the http://www.naa.gov.au    site. I think I'm being a bit thick here, but I can't tell whether that would give any more information than is indexed. Does either of you know?

Thanks again - you are VERY much appreciated....

Angela

[AngelaR]

Having had another look, I think I can answer my own question about copies of naa documents.

The next question is - can I find my way around their application forms ! Time will tell......

Thanks again

Angela

[Cazay]

Hi Angela

I have found a couple of things on the Staunton family so will scan and send.  There wasn't anything on Frank that I could find.   

Cazay

[AngelaR]

Hi everyone

Just an update on great uncle Frank 

I sent off for his Military service records from the http://www.naa.gov.au web site and they arrived today. Very exciting 

One surprise is that the Attestation Paper says he had a wife (which I knew - Eva Annie) and a child (which I definitely didn't)

I was wondering if anyone could double check for me about the child. It would presumably have to have been born before 1 Aug 1917, which is the date of the paper?

I'm a bit puzzled because Carol didn't find any children when she kindly did all those lookups for me. Perhaps the child was born before the wedding (Apr 1916)? In that case, would it be just listed under the mother's name (Eva Annie Staunton)?

Any help very gratefully appreciated 

Thanks

Angela

[teesdale]

Hi Angela,

Did a check on births SA for mother Eva Annie Staunton - no match.

However found the following on The Centennial Park Cemetery in South Australia:

Eva Annie   Virgin from TORRENSVILLE
Date of Death:   
Age: 92 Years

Interment Details: Burial
Section: Catholic A
Row:
Path: AK
Site: 588

Licence Number: 5637
Licence Expiry Date: 20/10/2001

Date of death not given
 
cheers

Carol
 

[AngelaR]

Hi Carol

Thanks very much for that 

You are so kind to spend so much time on this....
.... I must admit it's driving me nuts 

The more I find out about Frank and his (potential - I haven't traced kids yet) family, the more confusing it gets!

I wonder what happened to the child on his military record - perhaps it was a 'mishap' from ages ago.

This family history stuff can get really frustrating- especially when I'm so far away. The army record had him and Eva Annie living at 32 Fullarton Road, Parkside when he joined up. If Eva Annie was RC then it looks even more likely that his marriage to Dulcie was a common law one.

Judging by her name, I think Dulcie might have been Dulcie Fowler. Could I be a bit presumptuous and ask if you can see any children born to her under that name?

Thanks very much for all your help...

Angela