birth/Baptism Look up

[Robert Zimmerman]

Hi All

I am looking for the birth/baptism of Hanna Clara Marshall

She married William Negus in Ampthill, Bedford 14/05/1850 (IGI no mention of Parents)

Hoping someone can help

A  possibility is from her death cert (providing it is right)

died 1907, Collingwood,Victoria Australia age 79
Parents John Randolph and Mary

Hoping someone can help

Rob

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Rob

The IGI actually shows her father as John on the 1850 marriage entry, which seems to confirm the death cert information. There were a number of Marshalls baptised in Ampthill at around the right time with a father John, but no Hannah.

Fortunately they seem to be in Ampthill in 1841

HO107/006-03 folio 9A
John Marshall 45 Registrar notary office Not born in county
Mary Ann Marshall 35 Not born in county
Harriet Marshall 15 Not born in county
Hannah Marshall 15 Not born in county
Adelaide Marshall 8 Not born in county
Hilare Marshall 4 Born in county
Patience Marshall 5mths Born in county

Picking Adelaide as the least common name, on the IGI there is an Adelaide West Marshall baptised at Chatham, Kent on 17 Aug 1831, parents John and Mary Ann (controlled extract so reliable). But no other Marshalls baptised in this parish.

It's too early in the morning! A simpler way would be to look for them in 1851 where birthplaces are listed!

1851
HO107/1754 folio 220B
Church St, Ampthill
John Marshall head marr 59 Clerk of Ampthill Poor Law Union, Actuary of Ampthill Savings Bank; Registrar of births and deaths. Born Southwark St Johns
Mary Ann Marshall wife 47 b Strood Kent
Harriet Marshall dau unmarr 27 b Canterbury Kent
Adelaide Marshall dau unm 18 b Chatham Kent
Hilare Marshall dau 14 scholar b Ampthill
Patience Marshall dau 10 scholar b Ampthill
George Robert Savory visitor unmarr 25 Schoolmaster b Islington Middlesex

I cannot see Hannah in 1851 or subsequently but assume she would have been born in Kent, possibly Canterbury ie after Harriet and before the family moved to Chatham where Adelaide was born.

Never assume anything! Just found what appears to be William and Hannah in 1851
HO107/1754 folio 462
Shelton, Marston Moretaine, Beds (3-4 miles from Ampthill)
William Negus head marr 31 Master butcher b Husborne Crawley Beds
Hana Negus wife 24 born East Indies
Mary Ann Elizabeth Negus dau 7 scholar b Bedford
John Randolph Negus son 3mths b Marston

Hana has been transcribed as Maria, but it could be either. Her age is right, her husband is right, her son has the name you mentioned as being on her death certificate as her father.  There's just the problem of William possibly being a widower when they married. But I can't see an obvious first marriage or the burial in Beds of anyone of the right age between 1844-50.

If you get her marriage cert, which can be done online, the witnesses may link her definitely to the 1841/51 family, as well as her father's occupation. At least you know that the entry is correct if he was the registrar! And it should state if William was a widower.

East Indies is a bit different, and possibly explains why you couldn't find her in Beds!

Hope this helps

Regards

David

[criggy]

Marriage at Ampthill:
 
May 14th 1850 by licence
William Negus of full age Widower Cattle-Dealer of Husband Crawley father George Negus Butcher
= Hannah Clara Marshall of full age Spinster Dress Maker of Ampthill father John Marshall Accountant
Wit: Thomas Wilcocks ?West & Adelaide ?West Marshall

Baptisms at Marston Moretaine:
Jan 27th 1851 John Randolph son of William & Clara Negus of Marston Butcher

Aug 22 1852 Edwin William son of William & Hannah Clara Negus of Marston Publican

Check out the follwing for George & William Negus of Ampthill: http:p//blars.adlibsoft.com/form.htm (Bedfordshire Archives site)

Baptisms at Ampthill:
 
c 19th March 1837 bn 21 Oct 1826 Hilare dau of John & Mary Ann Marshall of Ampthill Relieving Officer

c 31.1.1841 bn Dec 15 1840 Patience dau of John & Mary Ann Marshall of Ampthill Relieving Officer

Patience & Harriet Marshall were living at Church St, Ampthill in the 1881 census, both listed as Independent.

IGI There is a John Marshall who married Mary Ann Nichols 26.6.1820 at Frindsbury, Kent & a Mary Ann Nichols
c 16.8.1801 Strood nr Rochchester?

Regards

criggy

[Robert Zimmerman]

Criggy and David

Been away quite a while and have just seen your reply postings to my query re Hannah Clara Marshall.

Absolutely fantastic

Thank You both very much

Zimmerman

[lemonegg]

Hannah Clara Marshall usually went by the name Clara. I believe in the 1851 Marston Moretaine census, she is listed as Clara, not the Maria seen by the indexer.
She was christened 30 Apr 1823 in Kaira, Maharashtra, India. (IGI batch C000995). Her parents were John and Mary Ann.
Kaira is now called Kheda, Gujarat. In the 19th C., there was a large military base there. Her father John Marshall was a paymaster sergeant there with the 4th Light Dragoons. A summary of his military career is at http://shadowsoftime.co.nz/4ths/dragoonm/marshall5.html.
He is the John Marshall who married Mary Ann Nichols in Frindsbury.
Copies of as much of his military records as I could locate in the Family History Library in Salt Lake are on my Peacock family tree on Ancestry.com. Search for Hannah Clara Marshall, and the tree should pop up near the top of the results.
William Negus was a widower when he married Clara. He had married Louisa Lucas 26 Sep 1842 at St. Leonards, Shoreditch, London. (IGI Batch M040806). They had one daughter, Mary Ann Elizabeth, born 30 Jul 1843 in Bedford city (Free BMD v. 6 p 27.) Louisa died in 1845 in Whitechapel. (Free BMD v. 2 p. 411, I don't have this certificate.)
Clara was buried 15 Jan 1887 Heathcote, Victoria, Australia. (Ancestry.com. Victoria, Australia Rural Cemetery Records, 1836-1988)