help needed please

[jeannied213]

william george francis born march 1850 guildford street brighton only mothers name on birth certificate ann francis.strange thing on birth certificate it was an m parsons who was the informant  and whose daughter william later married.
found william on 1851 census living at brunswick road brighton as a nurse child! nothing then until 1881 living in battersea
so where was he for 30 years??can anyone help solve the missing years
any help would be appreciated
jean

[Dimps]

Hi Jean,

Do you have this:

A William George Francis married in Hastings Registration District in the June quarter 1873 - Volume 2b, Page 13.  I have found the marriage of a Mary Ann Down for the same quarter, same place, on FreeBMD (Volume 2b, Page 31) which seemed quite helpful, but I couldn't find her on 1837online for the same period

Perhaps someone can do a lookup in 1871 Hastings to see whether this is him.

I believe a "Nurse Child" was one who had been fostered.

Dimps

[jeannied213]

Hi Dimps
thanks for replying I have the marriage certificate and he married mary ann parsons also born in Brighton, in rotherhithe surrey.His father is also on the marriage certificate as William George Francis.
Its the frustration of not being able to find him between 1851 and 1881 Plus where did the father suddenly appear from!!!!
Thanks for your help anyway
Jean

[Dimps]

Silly me!  You had mentioned his wife was called Parsons. 

Dimps

[allibaker]

have found this in 1861 wonder if maybe it could be your family???
living in limpsfield surrey
william francis 40yrs carpenter journeyman
mary ann 44yrs
william henry 12yr old scholor saya born easthoathley (dont know whether that is any where near brighton or no??)
thought as the father and sons name matched and mothers middle name could be a possiblility.what do you think?
SOURCE INFO-RG9-446
FOLIO-76
PAGE-11
regards
alli

[suey]

Hello Jean - Here is what I would try to establish if they were mine.

Any idea where Williams mother was? 
What happened to her? 

Is it possible that she married someone else and William had a change of surname inbetween his birth and his marriage?

Are you positive the M Parsons informant at birth of William is the parent of his future wife? 
Where are the Parsons family 1851 onwards?

And - is there any connection anywhere with members of the family that William is with in 1851?

Suey

[Dimps]

Well, it looks like an Ann Francis may have married a Philip Phillips in Brighton in the December Quarter 1856 (2b 322).  In 1861, a Philip Phillips (28, Wine Porter, born Coldwaltham), an Ann Phillips (27, born Wilmington) and Philip's sister Ann (17, Unmarried, Dressmaker, born Colwaltham) were living at 53 Newhaven Street, Brighton.  RG09/595/76/43, St Peters.

At the same time, there is a William G Phillips, listed as son in the household of William Phillips (36, propery? dealer, born Brighton), Wife, Ann Phillips (33, born Brighton) and two other sons, John F Phillips (6, born Brighton) and Ferdinand L Phillips (3, born Brighton), at 17 Nile Street. (R09/599/38/15, The Palace).

Dimps

[jeannied213]

Hi Dimps
My goodness that sounds fantastic thankyou so much for the info.
Looks like William George was born out of wedlock hence being a nurse child and possibly just possibly the father William George Francis on the marriage certificate could have been Ann's brother!!
Thanks
Jean

[Dimps]

Out of interest, with whom was William fostered in 1851?

Dimps