1841 & 1851 Census lookup please - Thomas HILL and family of Pinxton/Selston

[GaznDon]

Hi all,
Please can anyone locate the HILL family for me?
They are: Thomas / Head / born 1797 in Tibshelf, Derbyshire
Sarah / Wife / born in 1806 in Derbyshire
Their children were: George, Joseph, Thomas, John, James, Edmund and Hannah, all born between 1823 and 1838.
The first three sons were born in Pinxton.
Many thanks to anyone who can help!
Gazza
 

[sunflower]

Hi

Can't see anything for them in 1841 for Pinxton but here they are in 1851 at Selston

Selston
HO107/2125 Folio 85 pg 24

Thomas Hill  widr 53 Ag Lab born Tibshelf
George Hill son  U 28 Ag Lab born Pinxton
John Hill son U 18 coal miner born Pinxton
James Hill son 16 coal miner born Pinxton
Edmund Hill son 14 coal miner born Pinxton
Hanh Hill dau. 12  born Selston
Ann Wag dau. 30  born Bagworth Leics
Czra Wag G son.11 born Selston
Matilda Wag G dau. 9 born Selston

It doesn't say if Ann Wag is married or unmarried

[sunflower]

Hi

1841
Hall Green
Selston

861-14

Sarah Hill 35 No
George Hill 17 Coal Miner No
Joseph Hill 15 Coal Miner No
Thomas Hill 13 Coal Miner No
John Hill 11 Coal Miner No
James Hill 6 No
Emanuel Hill 4 No
Hannah Hill 2 Yes

No sign of Thomas at the same address

Sunflower

[GaznDon]

Hi Sunflower,
Many thanks!     
Those are interesting, aren't they! Husband missing in 1841, then has a 'daughter' of a different surname, in 1851!
If you do find Thomas in 1841, please let me know - I'd love to know where he'd got to!
Best regards,
Gazza
 

[christinea]

Hi Gazza,
This is now 2013 so I don’t know if you have sorted this one out by now.
This sounds like my family.
Hannah Hill was my great-grand mother. She married my ggf Joseph Knowles 8th October  1864 in Selston. They had seven children, the last being my grandfather George Barrington Knowles, my mother’s father.
Hannah was born 19th December 1838.
Birth certificate:-
Mother: Sarah formerly Moore
Father: Thomas  Hill, Collier
Place: Selston
Informant: Mother- Illiterate so marked with an “X”
She was christened on 25th February 1839. We have a copy of the baptismal certificate where the mother and father are Thomas and Sarah Hill, but here’s a bit of a mystery. The copy that we have was copied from the actual register in 1909, but the original entry in the register has an additional comment on it. In the “Child’s Christian Name” section it also says under “Hannah”, “Daughter of Smith”. This comment is not on the 1909 copy. The birth certificate is also a copy written in 1909. I am wondering if there were some problems in 1909, which, incidentally, was the year my mother was born.
In 1841 we think that Thomas Hill was in the county gaol in Nottingham described in the census as “Debter agricultural laborer”.
I assume that the daughter in 1851 (Ann Wag?) had married, had two children, and moved back home for some reason. However, the mystery that intrigues me is the “Smith” bit with Hannah, who is in my direct line of ancestors.

Regards,
Trevor

[GaznDon]

Hi Trevor

Thank you for that info - it's really interesting and yes, it does sound like we're distantly related.
I have a family tree on Genes Reunited but I can't access it today - some problem with the website I think - but when I do manage to look at it, I'll let you know if there's anything which might interest you.
Thank you for clearing up the whereabouts of Thomas in 1841 - how very sad.
I have a photograph of John Hill (brother of Hannah) - if you would like me to send it to you, please PM me your email.

Best wishes
Donna (GaznDon) 

[Designer Jeans]

Hi Guys

If Hannah Hill was born 19 Dec 1938 and there is a note "daughter of Smith" in the original register one wonders when Thomas Hill was sent to Nottingham jail??

Valerie

[christinea]

Valerie,

I think that you meant 1838, not 1938. Simple mistake- I do it all the time! I don't know when Thomas Hill went to gaol and when he came out (or if someone paid his debt or if it was forgiven). My only clues are the 1841 census using a process of elimination and coming up with the most likely person. Sarah Hill was living singly with the children and Thomas Hill was in gaol in Nottingham.
I have done some research on this subject at the Nottingham records office but got nowhere yet. I'll update when I find something else.

Trevor