1841 Census look up Tipton/West Bromwich please

[ljay]

Would be very grateful if SKS would be able to trace an Eli MARTIN in West Bromwich.  Eli was possibly a Brickmaker or Builder - the 1851 census shows an Ily MARTIN, wife Roseanna and son Thomas living in Church Lane Tipton which I think may be the right family. In 1841 there may also possibly be a son John and possibly his future wife Eliza nee CADDICK living with Eli -they married on 17 May 1841.  The marriage took place in the Church of All Saints West Bromwich if that helps narrow down the possible area.  Thanks for your help and time.   Ljay

[Keziahemm]

Hi,

Eily Martin   50   Brick m.      Y                       (Y = Yes born in county)
Rosannah Martin   47       Y
Thomas Martin   20    Y
Ann Royans   20   F.S.  Y

HO107/982/7   folio 32   page 13
Church Lane, Tipton


Susan 

[yonderpeasant]

Got the last one but too late!

HO107/0982/8/12
Dudley Tipton
Summerhill
Joseph Caddick 60 Carpenter y
Ann        do       60                y
Joseph    do       20                y
John Martin        15 Brickmaker y
Eliza       do       20                  y again seem to be part of the household does not really fit though.Too early for the marriage even taking into account his age might have been rounded down.
There is an eliza caddick in West Brom  but aged 15 and working as a servant alone in Turnpike Road so I suppose that is a possible daughter for Joseph but only guesswork.

 

[ljay]

Hin Keziahemm and Yonderpeasant - thanks so much for your help.  Hope your research is going well.  Ljay

[Paper_Chase]

Ljay - good to be in touch
I too do not have a lot - however what I have is:

Eliza CADDICK married John MARTIN (West Bromwich, June Q 1841). They can be found with their children George and Selina, living with Eliza's father Joseph CADDICK (widow) and Joseph RILEY (Grandson) in the 1851 census. I agree that John Martin dies (details unknown) and Eliza remarries Thomas WINFIELD - I have found her in the 1861 and 1871 censuses.

In the 1841 census with Joseph and Ann CADDICK is son Joseph, and John and Eliza MARTIN, and grandchildren Joseph Herbert RILEY and Alfred William RILEY.

I believe that Hannah CADDICK, sister to Eliza married James RILEY circa 1825 - 1830 - however I have not found the marriage. From the IGI I have seen the christenings for both Joseph (8 April 1832) and Alfred (22 August 1830) RILEY.

I believe that Hannah can be found in the 1871 census living with Joseph RILEY as mother.

Hannah can I believe also be found in the 1861 census with daughter Fanny "at the back of 34 Upper Gough Street, Biromingham. In the same household is a Cornelius Bastock - who I believe Fanny subsequently married (June Quarter, Birmingham, 1865 - Charles BASTOCK).

In 1851 Hannah and Fanny and Alfred can be found at 30 Upper Gough Street.

Joseph CADDICK died 21 August 1852 at Summerhill, Tipton. Do you want copy of certificate?, if yes please let me have direct e-mail address.

Three specific details that I lack re the CADDICK's are:

the marriage of Hannah CADDICK to James RILEY
the death of Ann CADDICK, presumably between 1841 - 1851. The spouse of Joseph.
the death of Hannah RILEY (nee CADDICK), after 1871 in Stockton

Via the IGI there are a number (seven) children christened to a Joseph and Ann CADDICK in Tipton (1805 - 1819), including a Joseph (1 December 1816). There is also a marriage between a Joseph CADDICK and a Ann WHITTAKER - 20 March 1796 in Halesowen. However the lack of children between 1796 and 1805, and the different place makes me suspicious that this is the correct entry.

Any details that you have on either CADDICK or RILEY would be very gratefully received.

Nigel
Pretoria, South Africa

[ljay]

Hi Nigel - you've managed to track down quite a bit.  Would love a copy of the death certificate you mention, thanks.  Will send e-mail address separately.  I am in touch, thanks to Rootschat, with another lady with whom I share ggrandparents so if ok with you will forward the information you have to her so we can all be working on the missing links.  We have been working on the disappearance of John MARTIN from the scene as we can't find any trace of a death.  Trouble is John MARTIN is quite a common name but it hasn't stopped us speculating as to what actually happened!  Eliza obviously thought he was dead (I hope) before she married Thomas.
Is your link to the family through the Joseph CADDICK (son) side or Hannah RILEY?
Regards
Ljay

[Paper_Chase]

My link to the family is via Hannah RILEY (nee CADDICK). As I said I have not found the actual marriage certificate [yet].

I have no problem with you passing my contact info and information onto the other lady researcher - I believe there is strength in numbers when researching.

Have you managed to find any Wills or Administrations from the family? and Do you perhaps have any [very] old photo's?

Nigel

[ljay]

Hi Nigel - unfortunately we have not any photos or wills.  We do have other children for Eliza and John MARTIN namely Mary J born c1850 who incidentally married a William CADDICK (not sure where he came from), Louisa born c1852 who married William TAYLOR, Emily born c1854 who married Roland William WOODHALL and William Thomas (sometimes known as Thomas William just to confuse things!!) who married Agnes HANDLEY/HANLEY born c1862 either in Birmingham or Ireland depending on which record you are looking at (my ggrandparents).  Agnes has proved to be a real challenge not least because of her place of birth but also because we found out eventually she married my ggrandfather in Rhode Island in the US!!  Have any of these names by any chance cropped up in your research anywhere?
Regards Ljay

[arrowmead]

Hi Paper Chase

"Hannah can I believe also be found in the 1861 census with daughter Fanny "at the back of 34 Upper Gough Street, Biromingham. In the same household is a Cornelius Bastock - who I believe Fanny subsequently married (June Quarter, Birmingham, 1865 - Charles BASTOCK)."[/i]

Just found this searching for Cornelius (my gg grandfather).  He did board there but was married to Ellen Price in in 1864; their first child was b 1866).  He did have an Uncle Charles b 1843 who may have married Fanny. 

Would love any further info