1841 / 1851 lookup in Tendring for Pinner

[Marty P]

Hi all, first time for me, great site,
I am Martin Pinner, from Los Angeles, born in London.  My  G G G Grandfather is .....

John Pinner born 1825 Great Oakey and Eliza A (Maided of Mead) born 1829 in Southminster. Their son was William 1852.  John Pinner was married in the Tendring District in Dec quarter 1848 to Eliza Ann Mead.

Im interested in John Pinner, from 41 to find out his parents information. 

Then Eliza Mead, I think I found her Parents at IGI, William Mead (1805 Kelvedon, near Colchester).  I have William's birth cert, indicates Eliza Ann Mead, from Great Oakley. 

The confusing thing is the great oakley and Colchester.  I know great oakley is right, not sure about colchester.

Let me know, Im excited about an impending discovery


Martin

[sjsbc]

Hi,

I couldn't see any family Pinner in Great Oakley parish or the parish of Tendring on the 1841 census.

ou would need to find someone with an index to search the whole of the Tendring Hundred as this covers too many pages to look at each on individually.

Hope this has been of some help

Sue

[Marty P]

Hello Sue,

Thanks for trying..

Martin

[Geoff of Devon]

Hi Marty,
These are the Pinners from Tendring index 1851. Sorry I don't see the ones you are looking for!
Geoff.
Surname Forename Age Birthplace Birth County Census Return Folio Census return  code
PINNER ABRAHAM   07m   GT HOLLAND   ESS   248   GHL
PINNER ABRAM   14   GT HOLLAND   ESS   249   GHL
PINNER ADAM   14   KIRBY LE SOKEN   ESS   312   KBS
PINNER ADAM   50   KIRBY   ESS   285   WTS
PINNER AMBROSE   22   KIRBY LE SOKEN   ESS   313   KBS
PINNER ANN   52   HULL   YKS   285   WTS
PINNER CHARLOTTE   19   GT HOLLAND   ESS   249   GHL
PINNER ELIZA   4   WALTON   ESS   277   WTS
PINNER EMMA   12   KIRBY LE SOKEN   ESS   312   KBS
PINNER GEORGE   6   WALTON   ESS   277   WTS
PINNER GEORGE   6   KIRBY LE SOKEN   ESS   312   KBS
PINNER HARRIET   8   WALTON   ESS   277   WTS
PINNER HENRY   21   GT HOLLAND   ESS   248   GHL
PINNER JAMES   11   KIRBY LE SOKEN   ESS   312   KBS
PINNER JAMES   38   FRINTON   ESS   277   WTS
PINNER JAMES   56   KIRBY LE SOKEN   ESS   312   KBS
PINNER JOHN   1   WALTON   ESS   277   WTS
PINNER JOHN   40   FRINTON   ESS   277   WTS
PINNER JOHN   60   KIRBY   ESS   249   GHL
PINNER MARIA   18   KIRBY LE SOKEN   ESS   312   KBS
PINNER MARY   11   WALTON   ESS   277   WTS
PINNER MARY   35   WALTON   ESS   277   WTS
PINNER MARY A   9   KIRBY LE SOKEN   ESS   312   KBS
PINNER SAMUEL   14   WALTON   ESS   261   WTS
PINNER SUSAN   22   KIRBY   ESS   280   WTS
PINNER SUSANNA   25   TENDRING   ESS   248   GHL
PINNER SUSSANNAH   49   GT BENTLEY   ESS   312   KBS

[Geoff of Devon]

These are the Meads from Colchester 1861 (again no joy):
MEAD DANIEL   29      1098   43   CCG
MEAD DIANA   42      1099   89   CCP
MEAD ELIZA   23      1098   43   CCG
MEAD ELIZABETH   52      1100   60   CCJ
MEAD ELLEN   9      1098   140   CCW
MEAD EMMA   21      1097   33   CCB
MEAD EMMA   11      1098   140   CCW
MEAD EMMA   3      1099   32   LXD
MEAD ESTHER   15      1099   32   LXD
MEAD GEORGE   38      1098   77   CCG
MEAD GEORGE   5      1099   32   LXD
MEAD HANNAH M   37      1099   32   LXD
MEAD HENRY   27      1097   153   CCB
MEAD HENRY   12      1098   77   CCG
MEAD JAMES   57      1097   70   CCB
MEAD JAMES   42      1099   32   LXD
MEAD LOUISA   4      1098   140   CCW
MEAD MAHALA   30      1098   140   CCW
MEAD MARY   28      1097   70   CCB
MEAD MARY A   20      1099   40   LXD
MEAD MARY A   13      1099   32   LXD
MEAD MARY A   1      1099   40   LXD
MEAD SUSANNAH   60      1097   33   CCB
MEAD WILLIAM   46      1099   150   CCM
MEAD WILLIAM   36      1098   140   CCW
MEAD WILLIAM   27      1099   40   LXD
MEAD WILLIAM A   8      1099   32   LXD

[Geoff of Devon]

Great Oakley is in the Harwich index (1851):
PINNER AGNES   6   HARWICH   ESS   60   HRW
PINNER ELIZABETH   41   IPSWICH   SFK   60   HRW
PINNER JAMES   55   IPSWICH   SFK   60   HRW
PINNER JOHN   62   CHELMONDISTON SFK 44   HRW
PINNER JOHN   14   IPSWICH   SFK   60   HRW
PINNER MARIA   44   HARWICH   ESS   39   HRW
PINNER MARIA   18   HARWICH   ESS   39   HRW
PINNER MARTHA   12   IPSWICH   SFK   60   HRW
PINNER MARY   57   MELTON   SFK   44   HRW
PINNER WILLIAM   49   IPSWICH   SFK   39   HRW
MEAD    JOHN   49   IPSWICH   SFK   154   RSY

Great Oakley is between Harwich and Colchester. Kelvedon might be in Witham census (1851):
MEAD   ALFRED   11   MESSING   ESS   18   MSS
MEAD   ARTHUR   9   MESSING   ESS   18   MSS
MEAD   CHARLES   5   MESSING   ESS   18   MSS
MEAD   CHARLES   24   KELVEDONESS   13   MSS
MEAD   DAVID   26   MARKS TEYESS   396   FER
MEAD   ELIZA   33   WITHAM   ESS   198   WTH
MEAD   EMILY ELIZA4   WITHAM   ESS   198   WTH
MEAD   FREDERICK3   MESSING   ESS   18   MSS
MEAD   GEORGE   22   COLCHESTERESS   242   WTH
MEAD   HANNAH   10   KELVEDONESS   81   KVD
MEAD   HANNAH   65   THAXTED   ESS   8   MSS
MEAD   JOHN   14   WITHAM   ESS   242   WTH
MEAD   MARIA   -3   KELVEDONESS   81   KVD
MEAD   MARIA   50   WITHAM   ESS   242   WTH
MEAD   MARK W.   19   KELVEDONESS   81   KVD
MEAD   MARTHA P.36   KELVEDONESS   81   KVD
MEAD   MARY   18   BIRCH   ESS   396   FER
MEAD   MARY   31   CHAPPLE   ESS   396   FER
MEAD   RACHEL   -6   FEERING   ESS   396   FER
MEAD   SAMUEL   37   MESSING   ESS   18   MSS
MEAD   SARAH   33   MESSING   ESS   18   MSS
MEAD   SARAH   76   BRAXTED   ESS   13   MSS
MEAD   THOMAS   33   WICKHAM   ESS   198   WTH
MEAD   THOMAS N.8             LONDON   MDX   198   WTH
MEAD   WILLIAM   7   MESSING   ESS   18   MSS
MEAD   WILLIAM   45   KELVEDONESS   81   KVD
MEADHAM   SUSANNA   63   INWORTH   ESS   30   INW
MEADS   ANN MARIA4   HATFIELD   ESS   326   HPV
MEADS   EMMA   2   HATFIELD   ESS   326   HPV
MEADS   LUCY ANN   6   WITHAM   ESS   326   HPV
MEADS   MARIA   27   RIVENHALLESS   326   HPV
MEADS   PHOEBE   -3   HATFIELD   ESS   326   HPV
MEADS   THOMAS   35   DENHAM   BKM   326   HPV

Is that him aged 45?? I think so....at last! That makes Hannah, Maria his daughters Mark his son and Martha P his wife? -3 means three months.

Witham (1851) covers - Braxted, Gt & Lit; Coggeshall; Fairstead; Faulkbourne; Feering; Hatfield Peverel; Inworth; Kelvedon; Marks Hall; Messing; Rivenhall; Terling; Ulting; Wickham Bishops; Witham

Success at last!
Geoff.

[Marty P]

Geoff, of Devon,
Well thanks for all the hard work.  I am new to this so it is difficult to decipher.  I am probably going to order, from the local LDS the CD's of the counties involved, could you help me get them straight, so that I can make an informed order.  Would be interested in 41 and 51, of the involved counties. 

I did print out the stuff you sent, the William stuff sounds good.

Martin

[Geoff of Devon]

Marty,
I shouldn't bother ordering anything yet. Just post another lookup here with "Lookup Witham HO107/1783/81". Sorry my fault, I forgot to give you the reference for Witham as I was beginning to lose concentration.
At the same ref as William are:
MEAD   HANNAH   10   KELVEDON ESS   81   KVD
MEAD   MARIA   -3   KELVEDONESS   81   KVD Age of -3 means 3 months
MEAD   MARK W.   19   KELVEDON ESS   81   KVD
MEAD   MARTHA P.36   KELVEDON ESS   81   KVD
MEAD   WILLIAM   45   KELVEDON ESS   81   KVD
KVD stands for Kelvedon. ESS for Essex. Look at the headings of the first mail I wrote for Tendring to get the idea.
So that is PROBABLY your William Mead age 45, his wife Martha P age 36, daughters Hannah age 10, Maria age 3 months and son Mark W age 19. They were all born in Kelvedon (Witham area) and live there at the time of the 1851 census. Because there is such a big age gap I would assume there are other children in between. Boys also tend to go off to work or boarding school. Girls usually stay home! VERY sexist but that's what used to happen. There was also an extremely high infant mortality rate(~40% for poorer families).
All the other info is my working and they may possibly(?) be related to your people so worth keeping for the future.
The next thing I would do is look at LDS website for these new names ("relations")  and also FreeBMD at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl so you might be able to cross-reference in order to find the birth/marriage/death certificates and go back further.
Have a look at the Beginners section for tips!
Good hunting,
Geoff.
PS If you order anything, you want the 1851 Witham or full Essex census for the actual page with above ref (check the cost!) to just gain the address where they live and their occupations.

[Marty P]

Geoff,
Im worried, I found two William's around the time, one married to Hannah and the other (yours) to Martha P.  Unless, in 1805 William was born, in about 1820 married Hannah, who died then he remairried Martha Payn (e) in about 1850 ish.  That would be right, but not sure.  I am not sure what to think, just trying to piece it together. 

On Eliza Ann Mead ('s) marraige cert is her father William Mead, a collar maker (or so i think it reads, hard to see), and they were married is October 1848, Great Oakley.  On all of the census data (1891, 1901), Eliza said she was born in Southminster, Essex. 

Not sure the Clevendon IGI match is right. 

Martin