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Poncia Building, Edgbaston, Birmingham
« on: Wednesday 15 February 06 03:40 GMT (UK) »
Please does anyone know where I can find a picture or information on the Poncia Building, which in the mid-19th C was in Edgbaston, Birmingham?

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Ian
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Re: Poncia Building, Edgbaston, Birmingham
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 February 06 22:45 GMT (UK) »
Hello Ian
I'm not sure if this a mistranscription or not.There many such buildings in B'ham 19th.c but they didn't have such sounding names.It wouldn't be there now and it's unlikely you will find any info.Your best bet is B'ham Central Library Archives who would hold the plans for that area.
Hope this helps Jim
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Poncia Building, Edgbaston, Birmingham
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 18 March 06 23:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jim,

No apparently this was the name of the building, although it could have been a commercial building or even a terrace or part of a terrace rather than anything block-sized in the city centre itself...

thanks,

Ian
CHESHIRE - Oultram, Walker, Wrench, Humphreys, Marrow, Bratt?
LANCASHIRE - Bratt, Prickett
FLINT (N WALES) - Fletcher?
STAFFORDSHIRE - Bratt? Fletcher?
ITALY - Rosso, Spinelli, Aicardi, Garibaldi, Gazzano, Raineri, Caprile

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Re: Poncia Building, Edgbaston, Birmingham
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 March 06 12:32 GMT (UK) »
Hello Ian
Edgbaston at this time was a very posh area,this is where the wealthy of B'ham lived and consisted of estates and individual properties.Had a look on my 1880 map and the area where it borders onto B'ham becomes more congested.It certainly isn't listed as a dwelling in 1901 so is probably a commercial/industrial building as you say.Next time I'm down at the library I'll have a look but it won't be for sometime.You could ask for someone at the library to look for you but they may charge for the service.
Regards Jim
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/


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Re: Poncia Building, Edgbaston, Birmingham
« Reply #4 on: Monday 20 March 06 23:23 GMT (UK) »
Had a look at some trade/postal directories from this time and although there is a Poncia family in Edgbaston there is no Poncia building.What is your source info.
Regards Jim
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Poncia Building, Edgbaston, Birmingham
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 June 06 00:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Jim,

Sorry I've been tied up with other things lately... although until recently I couldn't add much to what we already know.

I simply recall seeing this address on one of the censuses (1861 1881 or 1901 I think) and as such this building must have existed and maybe somewhere there's a photo.

I too recently have unearthed a whole lot of information via trade directories such as the following and perhaps another angle might be if anyone knows of photos or info on these businesses or addresses please.
 
- John Poncia wholesale cutler and dealer in toys, fancy goods and jewellery between 1828 and 1835 at 21 Worcester Street/1 Pershore Street.
 
- Peter Poncia & Son cutler, hardwareman and dealer in fancy articles, toys and jewellery between 1830 and 1845 at 34 Worcester Street/54 Worcester Street/61 Inge Street

- John Poncia & Son, hardware wholesaler, cutler and jeweller, importer and dealer in fancy goods and toys between 1835 and 1867 at 54 Worcester Street/Sherbourne Road/50 Pershore Street/8 Gough Road/128 Gough Road and Chad House, Chad Road.
 
It is thought this second John Poncia was also Lord Mayor of Birmingham.  Does anyone know if there are any photos or biographies of past Lord Mayors please?

In passing does anyone know what was a 'Birmingham, London and Sheffield' warehouse?  This seems to be a common expression in many trade directories of this time.  I assume this would suggest the role of wholesaler in manufactures from these cities, but does it have any other connotation such as a network of warehouses in these cities?

Lastly there seems to be several address changes as indicated above.  Some could have been home addresses but many seem to be simple changes in numbers on the same street.  Am I right to think that street names and numbers did not become established until the late 19th C or could there be any other explanations?  I doubt they expanded to several addreses on the same street!

Regards,

Ian
CHESHIRE - Oultram, Walker, Wrench, Humphreys, Marrow, Bratt?
LANCASHIRE - Bratt, Prickett
FLINT (N WALES) - Fletcher?
STAFFORDSHIRE - Bratt? Fletcher?
ITALY - Rosso, Spinelli, Aicardi, Garibaldi, Gazzano, Raineri, Caprile

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Re: Poncia Building, Edgbaston, Birmingham
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 June 06 17:06 BST (UK) »
Hello Ian
Looked on my 1839 map and Pershore St. was a continuation of Worcester St. at the junction of Edgbaston St.The area was under development at this time so number changes were quite possible.No 1 Pershore St. would be on the junction with Edgbaston St. opposite Worcester St.I think the Sheffield connection comes about because John was a cutler.
B'ham City Council have an archive collection but I can't get on their site.
B'ham Central Library also have an archive collection of photo's and building plans but you would have to search these yourself or contact the Genealogist there.
Regards Jim

Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Poncia Building, Edgbaston, Birmingham
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 October 06 00:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks for this, I thought I'd posted a thank-you at the time!
CHESHIRE - Oultram, Walker, Wrench, Humphreys, Marrow, Bratt?
LANCASHIRE - Bratt, Prickett
FLINT (N WALES) - Fletcher?
STAFFORDSHIRE - Bratt? Fletcher?
ITALY - Rosso, Spinelli, Aicardi, Garibaldi, Gazzano, Raineri, Caprile