John Daniel Phillips 1887 or 1891??completed

[Cas (stallc)]

Treorchy Cemetery

Burial No,Surname,Name,Year

12392,Phillips,Margaret Ann,1896

Think this maybe John's mother, on freebmd she is 36 but there are errors in death ages.  I would get this internment record from Treorchy library, google for email addie, if not local.  

Check the bottom of the record for other burial no's if it is her. There is also a child death, same namesake as her same year date (freebmd) if my hunch is right she could have possibly died in childbirth.

Not sure what happened to Thomas but he must have been alive when John gave him as next of kin.


Hope this helped you out

Cas

[Chasing-fireflies]

Now that could explain a lot as he may of had to join the army if his mother died. I found a gwen philips living at something called the huts in the ystrad area. I dont know what the huts were but there were a few families and a housekeeper there.

[Chasing-fireflies]

Internet connection went. !!! There was a Gwen phillips and some other families living at the same place so maybe the family split up if the mother died. Thanks again, you have been a huge help!!

[VivienR]

I am researching a Phillips family who lived in Ystradyfodwg from 1871 on.


1871
John Phillips 57 b. Merthyr coal miner died 1890
Elizabeth Phillips (Francis)  mother 52 b Cowbridge died 1898
David Phillips son 9 b. Aberdare
Philip Phillips son 12 b Aberdare died 1929
Margt Phillips daughter 18 b Rhymney
Thos Phillips son 15 b Aberdare


 Ystradyfodwg
Road - Tonypandy
Hamlet Clydach

I have traced Philip and his family - he had a daughter named Gwen but haven't had much luck finding Thomas after this 1871 census.  There are a couple of possible Thomas's just not sure which is the right one.

Vivien

[Chasing-fireflies]

Hello,
If the family were living at 12a the huts then i am not sure which father Gwen belonged to. My John Daniel Phillips seems to have born 1888. I am not sure about the other names on your post as so far i have only Thomas Phillips whos Father appears to be Evan Phillips. Ring any bells with you??If you look at the names that Cas has given me then maybe some of them could be related to yours.
Karren

[VivienR]

I jumped in at the end of all these emails so haven't sorted everyone out  but as I read it you have a John Daniel Phillips born 1888 - father Thomas and a marriage record 1884  for
 a Thomas Phillips - father John not
Evan -  who married  Margaret Ann Thomas and her father was Evan Thomas.

Not sure where your Gwen comes in, though.
VivienR

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi Vivien,

The 1891 census posted above has Thomas born c1860 Aberdare. The marriage I found (also above) father's name was 'John'... Thomas also has a daughter 'Gwen' on the 1891..if you need details to be posted for this census let me know...

Cas

[VivienR]

Hi Cas
Yes I would really like to see the 1891 census you have
for Thomas. Thanks
VivienR

[Cas (stallc)]

Same ref as above for 1891, Ystradyfodwg
Address 2 Llanfecca? Rose Cottages

Thomas Phillips Head, m, 31 Collier, born Aberdare
Margaret A, wife, 27, born Pontypridd
Gwen, dau, 7 - all children born Pentre or Ystrad it has both
Margaret, dau,  5
John D,  son, 3  - this is John Daniel Phillips
Maggie, Dau, 8mths

Ystrad and Pentre are about 2- 3 miles from Tonypandy. They are diffent villages nearly joining each other

Hope this helps

Cas