Need help finding this family.

[jericho]

Hi William

I have already come across the different versions of names for Mary Ann, have lived with the name my whole life so I know what you mean, the links look very interesting and I will have a good look at them so hopefully I may pick up some hint on where to go from here, Thanks.



jericho

[Forfarian]

My own research into "my Dewars" - not linked to yours as far as I know - is that they originated in the east coast area predominently, especially Fife and the Lothians.

According to G F Black's Surnames of Scotland the name Dewar is either (a) from Gaelic Deoireach, from deoradh, meaning a pilgrim or (b) of territorial origin from Dewar in the parish of Heriot, Midlothian. The earliest record quoted was in 1296.

The deoradh had custody of the relic of a saint in mediaeval times, and a Dewar family were custodians of St Fillan's crozier-head.

[jericho]

Hi Forfarian


Thanks for that information, at this stage my research into this family hardly looks as if it will get back another generation let alone to 1296, but it is certainly a very interesting fact as I knew nothing about the origin of the Dewar name, other  than I  it was Scottish.



jericho

[AMBLY]

Hi Jericho
You say daughter Mary DEWAR  was an 18 yr old servant in Seagate Dundee prior to emigrating out of England to NZ.
I presume this was not information in the 1841 Census - but I would be interested in this record from then: She appears to be the only England born DEWAR in Dundee (alt. spelling not withstanding). 

Dundee, Angus Piece: SCT1841/282 , ED: 87, Folio: 15 Page: 5
Address: Union Street E Side
    CHALMERS   John   aged 35 Occ: Mason   born  Angus       
    CHALMERS   Isabella age 32 born Outside Angus   
    CHALMERS   Mary   age 6 born Angus       
    CHALMERS   Jane  age 4 born Angus       
    CHALMERS   Hellan  age 2 born Angus       
    CHALMERS   William  age 1 month born Angus       
    ****DEWAR   Mary   age 17  Occ:  Female Servant, born:   England

And this, becasue of the address:
Dundee, Angus Piece: SCT1841/282 ED: 17, Folio: 17 Page: 14
Address: Seagate No S
    DEWAR   John  age 45   Occ: Tailor    Born Angus: No
    DEWAR   Mary Ann  age 45       Born Angus: No         
    DEWAR   Janet   Age 20       Born Angus: No       
    DEWAR   James   age 20   Occ: Jrnyman Tailor    Born Angus: No       
    DEWAR   David   age 15   Occ:Appr Tailor    Born Angus: No       
    DEWAR   John  age 10   Occ: Appr Tailor   Born Angus: No       
    DEWAR   Jane   age 10       Born Angus: No     
    DEWAR   Sophia   age 9       Born Angus: No       
    DEWAR   Robert  age 5       Born Angus: Yes
    DEWAR   Thomas  age  2       Born Angus: Yes

I'd try find some of these in the 1851 - for example Sophia is relatively unusual as a starting point and see who she's with and relationships - maybe someone on the Angus board would do a lookup as it's not on ScotPeople.

On IGI it looks like 1841 Sophia may be the one who married 1864 to a George PRAIN.
If you do a search of births to this couple, there is one daughter: Mary Ann Christie PRAIN.
Mary Ann CHRISTIE? CREASEY?  The mind starts to wonder!!??

Perhaps the shots are too long if you have no other Scots to look up, but I would consider investing 6 quid and looking up Sophia, and looking up all the Mary Ann DEWAR who died in Dundee to see if a one of them has an other name like CREASEY (CRESSIE, CREASSIE, CRESSEY etc etc etc). Or to see if you can track Mary the 17 yr old in 1841 marrying or on C1861.  You may get enough information for initially just paying for views, as opposed to actual records. The views are 1 credit per page (25 entries per page) so you could perhaps consider a strategy to search/view to get the best value).

Re : Mary's parents David DEWAR and Mary Ann CREASEY  - how have you come to these approx birth year for them of abt 1800?

Cheers
AMBLY

[jericho]

Hi Ambly

I did have the 1841 census infact I found them after I posted  this post, I am not 100% sure that Mary is the daughter of John and Mary Ann but from what you have written about Sophie this could very well be the family I am looking for. So far this is my only direct Scottish family, so it looks as if I may have to buy some credit for Scotland people, I will check out Sophia and see what I can find. My guess at Mary parents age was only a guess, I did not have enough evidence to consider anything else. Thank you for your help this is the first Major clue I have about this family. I am fairly sure that I have the right Mary, as her shipping records indicated that she did infact reside in Seagate,  Dundee. Thank you for the info.


jericho

[AMBLY]

Hi Jericho
Oooh!!!!! I can't type this fast enough.....God loves a Googler.....
I just found information that indicates John DEWAR & Mary CHRISTIE were Wesleyan:

http://www.fdca.org.uk/baptisms_D.htm
Wesleyan Register of Baptisms, Dundee 1785-1898

NAME George DEWAR
Birth Date:  21 Sep 1834
Baptised 30 Dec 1834
FATHER: John DEWAR
Address: Dundee
Occupation: Tailor & Pensioner
MOTHER1: Mary Ann CHRISTIE
Notes: Daughter of : David  & Mary CHRISTIE

NAME Thomas DEWAR
Birth Date:  10 Jul 1839
Baptised 28 Jul 1839
FATHER: John DEWAR
Address: n/a
Occupation: Tailor
MOTHER1: Mary Ann
Notes: CHRISTIE

Of course it's not proof - but I'm sure you'll agree it's starting to look as if your Mary ANDREWS nee DEWAR's death record re her parents names was somewhat  a garbled memory of whomever informed of the death....?

ANd here:
http://www.fdca.org.uk/howff.htm
You will find John DEWAR was an old Soldier, Tailor and Pensioner born in Foss in Perthshire, who was buried in Dundee 10 Sep 1849, died  age 57 of the effects of intoxication

You will also find wee George's death in 1835 and that of another daughter same year,  and another still born - and also death of a child of a David DEWAR Tailor. I didn't look up CHRISTIE - the pages take a while to upload - but have fun    I think you may just have enought likely Scots links now to easily get rid of 6 Quid on ScotPeople !!

BTW - If John was an Old Soldier, it may explain why 1841 Mary DEWAR if she was his daughter, was born in England.......

Cheers
Anne

[jericho]

Hi Anne

Thank you for all that information, it looks as if this may be the family I am after, but will need to do some further searching I could not get into the Dewar link, it kept sticking and would not let me scroll down the page, with the Christie one I had no problem at all. I wonder  if John Dewar was a Soldier joined to a Scottish or a English regiment.  Well will have to look more into that as well. Thanks for your help.


jericho