look up please for g.grandfathers birth

[sandra bills]

Looking for birth date of Amos Rogers born some
time around 1868 in Wales I believe and married
an Ann Crow around about  1890. Would
someone be kind enough to do look up for a birth
or marriage.
Many thanks in ancticipation.
Sandra

[MJP]

Hi Sandra,

Here is a possible marriage record, although not to Ann Crow

Amos Rogers, Dec Qtr 1889, Bedwelty District, Monmothshire, Volume 11a Page 207

Women listed on the same page who are likely candidates for his wife are:

Ann Prosser
Phoebe Nicholas

There are no other Anns on the nearby pages. 

Have you found them in the census?  If you don't have a more precise place of birth, that might be the place to start.

MJP

[sandra bills]

Many thanks,  yes it is ann prosser. We know she was
married before but thought it was crow.
How can I find out Amos birth date or Ann prosser date of
birth and where will go to find out where they lived at the
time?
Sandra

[Burrow Digger]

Do you know how old they were when they were married?  Do you have their marriage certificate?

From there we can search the GRO registrations (eg freeBMD) to find the year and quarter when they were born and you can then order their birth certs. The birth certs will name their parents for sure.

BD

[MJP]

Hi Sandra,

Well, here they are in the 1891 census - Amos and Ann with Ann's Prosser children and a new son by Amos.

(please any errors in the place names - I'm really bad with Welsh!)
RG12/4431 Folio 94 Page 34
Tir phil, Gelligaer, Glamorganshire, Wales
Address: 20 Railway Terrace
Amos Rogers, Head, 29, Coal Miner, b. Monmouth Llanithel
Ann Rogers, Wife, 39, b. Monmouth Bedwellty
Annie Prosser, Daur, 18, General Servant Domestic, b. Glamorgan Gelligaer
Edward H Prosser, Son, 17, Coal Miner, b. Glamorgan Gelligaer
Frances Prosser, Son, 14, Coal Miner, b. Lancashire Aspool
Margaret Prosser, Daur, 11, Scholar, b. Lancashire Goldbourne
William Prosser, Son, 5, b. Monmouth Mynyddeslwyn
David W Rogers, Son, 2, b. Monmouth Mynyddeslwyn

Wow - can you imagine being the step father of an 18-year-old at age 29?

If you order their marriage certificate using the reference number I gave you above, it will show their fathers' names.  That will help you trace them back in earlier census records.  

I'll see if I can find them in earlier censuses...

MJP

[MJP]

Here is Ann in 1881 with her first husband.

RG11/3821 Folio 61 Page 21
Westhoughton, Lancashire
Address: 16 Hart Street
Thomas Prosser, Head, 28, Coal Miner, b. Glamorganshire Sth Wales
Anne Prosser, Wife, 29, b. "
Annie ", Daur, 9, Scholar, b. "
Edward Henry ", Son, 7, Scholar, b. "
Francis ", Son, 3, Scholar, b. "
Maggie ", Daur, 1, b. "
And 3 lodgers: Henry Parr, James Mills, and John Wearen - all mine workers from Lancashire

So this time they've all been lumped in as having the same birthplace.  That's not very helpful    But at least we now know that her husband's name was Thomas...

MJP

[MJP]

Hi again,

I think this is likely Amos in 1881 - it seems to be a fairly uncommon name - but can't be sure until we know his father's name. 

William Rogers, Head, 45, Coal Miner, b. Somersetshire
Amos Rogers, Son, 19, Coal Miner, b. Monmouth ?oria (beg of word hard to read)
Mary Ann Rogers, Daur, 14, b. Monmouth Beaufort

Getting the marriage certificate will also hopefully give Ann's maiden name, which will also help find her. 

Good luck!

MJP

[sandra bills]

MJPYou are a real gem, and guess what it looks as
if they lived in the next but one village to where I am
living now. I certainly have a lot of leads to go  on now
and willl certianly get the marriage certificate whihc
will give me Amos father name and where he lived.
Many thanks once again.
Do appreciate all your research.
Sandra

[MJP]

No problem!  Keep us posted if you need any more searches once you get the certificate...

MJP