Two William GRUNNAHs mystery

[VillageDuckpond]

I don't seem to be able to sort this one out and need some help, please.

In 1841 I have two William GRUNNAHs as sons of two GRUNNAH families in Hakin and Lower Weston of 14 and 20 (Hubberston). By the next census the 20 year old is 30 - fine, no sign of the other one and then a Thomas has appeared of 7. What am I not seeing properly?

[davidpinkney]

Can't find Thomas Grunna(h) on original images of birth from 1843-1846

I'll post this other family details incase it helps later for 1841 Hakin, Hubberston, Pembs

Jas. Grunnah - 39 - Carter
Martha Grunnah - 36
Mary Grunnah - 9
Eliza Grunnah - 8
Marcest? Grunnah - 6
Ruth Grunnah - 4
Jane Grunnah - 6mths

all born in county

along with this is obviously the two familys you mention from my last post

Conduit? Hubberston, Pembs

HO107/1449 10  folio 32 pg 3

John Grunnah - 50 - Ag Lab
Sarah Grunnah - 50
William Grunnah - 14

all born in county

also

L.Weston, Hubbertson, Pembs

HO107/1449 10 folio 37 pg 13 and pg 14

think that James is not William's father at this age but who knows

James Grunnah - 73 - Farmer
David Barrah - 30 Farmer
Mary Barrah - 20
William Grunnah - 20
Henry Barrah - 5
Ruth Barrah - 1

All born in county

[davidpinkney]

Can find no Grunna(h) or Barrah marriages between 1837 and 1841 at all in the indexes!

[davidpinkney]

Ahhhhh! This might help

David Barrah married Mary Grunnah in the Parish of Hubberston 06/04/1837
Groom was farmer from Langwm

I think that this indicates that the Grunnah's in the 1851 census are Mary's Nephews (although i still don't think William aged 30 would be!) Doesn't help with who Thomas's parents were.

[davidpinkney]

Found 1 Barrah family in 1841 in Langwm

Enoch Barrah - 68 - farmer
Ann Barrah - 68
Thomas Barrah - 32 - Miner
Elizabeth Barrah - 24
John Barrah - 17 - Collier

[davidpinkney]

Found these other two marriages

John Grunnah to Sarah John in parish of Hubberston 01/01/1825

James Grunnah to Martha Philpin in parish of Hubberston 16/08/1832  (Martha was a widow)

[VillageDuckpond]

David

Thank you very much for all that information - you have been working hard on my behalf and I do appreciate it,

Would you know who Mary GRUNNAH's parents were when she married David BARRAH? Would I be right in thinking that her father was James GRUNNAH who was 73 in the 1841 for Hubberston?

Sasha

PS This is not my GRUNNAH line at all but I am fascinated by these families and would dearly love to find a link with my GRUNNAHs at Freystrop!

[davidpinkney]

The info on Mary Grunnah is only from an index of Parish registers not the original document and doesn't state any parents names unfortunately.

I think the 1851 census should say that William was Mary's brother - making them both children of James aged 73 but this still doesn't tell us whos child Thomas is unless it is William's son and his wife had died - if that all makes sense!

Good luck

Do you have all your Grunnah in Freystrop info for 1841?

David

[VillageDuckpond]

David, dare I say what I have on the 1851 for Lidderson?

Well, here goes....David Barrah is now the head of the family and there are two nephews, William 30 and Thomas 7! Feel I am going round in circles with this one so I shall put it to one side for the time being but in the meantime many thanks for all your help.

Sasha

PS Have all the info I need on the 1841 for Freystrop and thank you