john murray

[helkar]

Hi I'm at a blank wall -hope someone may help or advise
John Murray married 1906 to Annie Quinn St. Patricks Catholic chapel - was a widower !! age 30/36 -  unknown to family dont know birth or country may be Eng.Ireland or Scotland or first wife ?? address Collyhurst in 1906 - fathers name i am told John Murray.

[Manchester Rambler]

If you buy the marriage cert, it will give you John's age, occupation and father's name/occupation.  That should make it possible to look for hil on the 1901 census (even with a relatively common name like Murray!) and work backwards.

The GRO reference is Manchester 8d 471.  (From Free BMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com)  You can order the cert online at http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/, or by post from Manchester record office:

Heron House, 47 Lloyd Street, Manchester, M2 5LE.
Tel: 0161 234 7878. Fax: 0161 234 7888.

Hope this helps!

Rambler

[helkar]

5Thanks Rambler
Got marr. cert. and checked 1901 but not knowing anything about him and so many John Murrays its hard to decide - his address on cert. was where annie lived - thanks a lot

[Manchester Rambler]

What was John's occupation on the marriage cert?  Normally a marriage cert also gives father's name and occupation, but you say you're not sure the father was called John - ?

Rambler

[helkar]

Hi Rambler
Said I was told his name was John - but you were right it is John on cert. though dec. but when I dont know.
John Murray father was Iron Moulder, son was Foundry Labourer
Thanks still a learner with f.h.

[Manchester Rambler]

No problem!  You'll find folk on RootsChat who started their family history 30+ years ago, and others who started this weekend... 

I'll have a nosy at the censuses now, and see if I can find a possible John with the right occupation.

Do you know if John (the son) had any brothers or sisters?  That could be really helpful in identifying the right family.

Rambler

[helkar]

Hi Rambler
Know very little about grandfather  but will enquire again with other family members.
- he is an unknown!
Regards

[Manchester Rambler]

OK - I've had a look at the censuses, and there's at least one possible family in 1881, but nothing conclusive - I can't find the same family for certain on the later censuses.   

 Let us know if you come up with aything new!

Rambler