Spare birth certs

[jimhume]

Hello Clare


I have a direct link to the same John Hume and Beatrix Liddle, but have been unable to find their Marriage certificate or get any further back  . Have you been able to ?  Do you have any help for me ?

My My GG Grandfather was the John Hume born 1856, first child of Walter Hume and Margaret Scott who were married in 1855. in Langholm

Hope to hear from you

Jim Hume

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[jimhume]

Hello Clare


I have a direct link to the same John Hume and Beatrix Liddle, but have been unable to find their Marriage certificate or get any further back  . Have you been able to ?  Do you have any help for me ?

My My GG Grandfather was the John Hume born 1856, first child of Walter Hume and Margaret Scott who were married in 1855. in Langholm

Hope to hear from you

Jim Hume

[Clare Fowler]

Hi Jim,

Sorry, I have only just picked my research back up after a long hiatus so I am a little rusty.

I haven't done any research on John Hume and Beatrice Liddel yet, as they are not my direct line.  My link is from Walter Hume and Margaret Scott's 6th son - Walter.  He married my GG Grandfather's sister.  However, I do have a specific interest in the line as apparently there was some kind of controversy in the family with one of the Walters.  My grandmother remembers her parents arguing about a Walter Hume when she was young and she specifically asked me to track him down.  I have now found several Walter Humes in the family and no controversy!

Anyway, back to the research.  I think Walter (son of John and Beatrice) was born on October 13th 1819 at Allanhaugh Mill in Hawick according to his marriage certificate (there is a lot of extra info on 1855 certificates that you don't get in other years), but I can't find the birth in the OPRs.  I would expect John and Beatrice to have been married before 1819 in that case, but I have no idea where.

Since John and Beatrice are not marked as deceased on Walter's marriage certificate, it might be worthwhile searching for them in the 1841 and 1851 census records - that should give their places of birth and approximate ages.  It might also be worth getting their death certifcates to work out their ages.

One thing to mention (and apologies if you are already aware) but you won't find a marriage certificate for John and Beatrice as they would have been married before the introduction of Statutory registration, so its the parish registers that will have to be searched.

I hope this helps a little.

Cheers,
Clare

[jimhume]

Clare
Clare

Thanks for info.

John and Beatrix, ( also spelled Betrix and Beatrice ) appear in 1841, 51 and 61 Censi at Allanhaugh Mill, as does the son Walter in 1851 in the same household, but same address and different household with his wife Margaret (nee Scott )in 1861.

In the Census John Hume has his birthplace as Cavers, Hawick abt 1784.  There is a baptismal record for 1783 of a son baptised to the Father John Hume in Cavers  ( I have copy of baptismal record ), so must be him. Therefore Walter's Grandfather was also John Hume, residing near Cavers in 1783.  No more record of that John Hume yet.

Beatrix Liddel was born at Hobkirk, Rox. to Robert Liddle and Margaret Scott in 1789, therefore four years older. In 1861 Census she is recorded as 81 years old.

Hope this helps you too.

Jim

[Clare Fowler]

Hi Jim,

Thanks for that - I will add this into my continuing research.
For info, here is the info I have on the Hume line.  It's not much as (as I said) it isn't my main line.

Cheers,
Clare

John HUME
& Beatrice LIDDEL
|   Walter HUME
|     b. 13 Oct 1819, Allanhaugh Mill, Hawick, ROX
|     d. 17 Feb 1880, Allanhaugh Mill, Hawick, ROX
|   & Margaret SCOTT
|     b. 12 Nov 1832, Annan, DFS
|     d. 3 Sep 1890, Chesters Grange Smithy, Ancrum, ROX
|     m. 14 Dec 1855, Langholm, Dumfriesshire
|   |   John HUME
|   |     b. 30 Oct 1856, Allanhaugh Mill, Hawick, ROX
|   |   Robert HUME
|   |     b. 17 Apr 1858, Allanhaugh Mill, Hawick, ROX
|   |   William HUME
|   |     b. ca 1861
|   |   James HUME
|   |     b. 21 Oct 1863, Allanhaugh Mill, Hawick, ROX
|   |   Isaac HUME
|   |     b. ca 1866
|   |   Walter HUME
|   |     b. 16 Sep 1867, Allanhaugh Mill, Hawick, ROX
|   |     d. 26 Mar 1948, 10 Gladstone Street, Hawick, ROX
|   |   & Christian ELLIOT
|   |     b. 7 Dec 1872, Millburn, Castleton, ROX
|   |     d. 5 May 1935, The Golf House, Hawick, ROX
|   |     m. 15 Sep 1896, 14 Howegate, Hawick, ROX
|   |   |   Walter Nichol HUME
|   |   |     (Private)
|   |   |   Mary Cowan HUME
|   |   |     (Private)
|   |   Mary HUME
|   |     b. 14 Jan 1870, Allanhaugh Mill, Hawick, ROX
|   |   Beatrice HUME
|   |     b. 22 Aug 1872, Allanhaugh Mill, Hawick, ROX

[Elaine Lunn]

Hi Clare
I'm not sure if you'll get this as I notice the original post is pretty old. Do you still have spare certificates handy? If so could you let me have the details of :- 1898      Sophia    Laidlaw   Murray      Father:   David Murray   Mother:   Mary turner   Hawick

Sophia Laidlaw Murray was my great aunt.

many thanks,
Elaine

[dawnsh]

Hi Elaine

Welcome to Rootschat 

According to her profile, Clare was online a few weeks ago so should reveive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.

Dawn

[Clare Fowler]

Hi Elaine,

Sorry it has taken me a while to reply - life had the nerve to get in the way of my research! 

1898 in the District of Hawick in the County of Roxburgh

Entry No 213
Sophia Laidlaw Murray
1898 July 27th
5h 0m PM
10 Allan Crescent Hawick
David Murray, yarnman
Mary Murray m.s Turner
Married 1895 July 12th Hawick
Informant: David Murray, father
Registered August 3rd at Hawick.

Thanks,
Clare

Hi Clare
I'm not sure if you'll get this as I notice the original post is pretty old. Do you still have spare certificates handy? If so could you let me have the details of :- 1898      Sophia    Laidlaw   Murray      Father:   David Murray   Mother:   Mary turner   Hawick

Sophia Laidlaw Murray was my great aunt.

many thanks,
Elaine

[Elaine Lunn]

Thanks Clare, much appreciated!