Help needed with a bit of a muddle!!!

[qt]

Please Please can someone guide me.

I KNOW the following is correct

William Henry GOODALL Married Mabel Sarah Anderson that was my grandads parents
Grandad remembers Aunts Nelly, May, Maud & Lily and Uncles Arthur & Jack

I went to records office and found on 1891 census:
Thom W GOODALL H M 31 - builder - Essex Gt Marlow
Agnes W M 29 - Kent Plumstead
Ellen dau 8 - scholar - Surrey Richmond                      (This would be Nelly)
May dau 6 - ditto - Surrey Mortlake
Maud dau 5 - ditto - Essex Forest Gate
Thom son 4 - ditto                                                       (Jack?)
Willliam son 1 - ditto                                                    (This would be his Dad)
Address: 115 Field Rd, Forest Gate, West Ham, Essex

I was unsure as it said Thom & Thom jnr so looked on 1901 census and found nothing. V confused!!

Ordered Williams MC it says he was 23 on 27/7/1912, father John William Goodall - builder
27/7/1912 - 23 = 27/7/1888 - 26/7/1889. Looked in FRC and no Williams born between those dates but William Henry born in West ham 3/1890 . Ordered it and it said father John William and Mother Agnes Susannah Goodall nee Brooks, living at 115 Field Rd, Forest Gate. Took that as correct and found on 1881 census

John GOODALL, Lodger, H, M, 21    Marlow, Buckingham  Bricklayer ,   
Annie GOODALL, Wife, M ,       20 ,   Woolwich, Kent         Wife Of Bricklayer ,   
Florence GOODALL ,   Daur ,      1m ,  Richmond, Surrey
Princes Road 2 Brook Cottages, Richmond, Surrey, England

Noone knew of Aunt Florence so back to FRC and found her death. On DC 4/8/1881 it says parents John William & Agnes Susannah.

Ordered John & Agnes' MC it says John 19, father William Goodall. Marriage was in Lambeth, Surrey on 13/4/1879. Found John William b Oxford 1859. Ordered cert and date is 28/4/1859 Father William mother Jane Wilkinson nee Goodall

At this point I asked rootschat for more census details and this came up:
RG13/1591/98/25 John W GOODHALL H Wid 41 - builder - Oxford Gt Miss
Ellen dau U 18 - Surrey Richmond
May C dau U 16 - do Mortlake
Maud dau 15 - Essex West Ham
John T son 14 - do
William son 11 - do
Arthur S son 8 - do
Lily dau 5 - do
Address: 132 Field Road, West Ham, Essex
which makes perfect sense but also came up was:

RG10/1288/45/12
William GOODALL H M 42 ag lab - Hurley Berks
Elizabeth W M 35 - Wargrave Berks
John son 10 - scholar - Marlow, Bucks
Thomas son 8 - do - Wargrave Berks - crippled from birth
Lizzie dau 3 - ditto
Emily dau 5 mos - ditto
Address: Crazies? Hill, Wargrave, Berkshire
Which has completley thrown everything!!!!

I have only been doing trees a couple of years so wondered if anyone could see if there was anywhere I had gone wrong or could advise me

Sorry it was a bit long but it might make sense to someone more experienced than me

qt.Sam

[Clincher]

Hi, I've read it through twice and I think a lot could be explained if you could be certain in your own mind that the entry for 'Thom W Goodall' in 1891 census might have been based on incorrect info or misheard. If it should have been John W this would make the census extract at the end fairly unrelated.
Field road, Forest Gate is pretty much the same as when it was built. I think I have a photo of 132 Field Road somewhere.
In the neighbouring borough of Waltham Forest there is a road called Goodall Road, Leyton built in late Victorian times. Maybe that is a clue

[lizdb]

Yep, I agree. Reading through, it all ties up if the first Thomas is actually a John!! And the last list you have of the Berkshire family are total red herrings.

[Clincher]

You'll probably think this is a wind-up but I hope I have attached a photo I took fairly recently of 134 Field Road, Forest Gate - the middle one. You may be able to make out '134' above the door. I think 132 is to the right

[Clincher]

..this time?

[qt]

Thanks for the pic that was quite cool.

Going back to the census' though. That last entry came up from 2 different rootschat people and it seems to be the only John William Goodall aged around 10 on the 1871 census that anyone could find.

Thats why I am so confused. I cant find him living with Jane and william only Elizabeth and William.

Sam

[Sisterjane]

1891-Cencus West ham
RG12/1335-Folio63-Page 9

You already have this cencus and it was explained to you that both Thom snr and Thom jnr had possibly been mistranscribed as Thom instead of John as it looks like either on the Original image.

You were also given details from the 1901 cencus where it was made clear that their names were both John.
RG13/1591-Folio 98-Page 9

Joe

[qt]

I wrote all my findings in order so people can see what I did and how. I am not asking for any census details now I just need help to know how to progress as I have two mothers for John William Goodall b 1859 and both are listed as being married to William his father at different sources. If there is no other John Williams on the earlier census' and no other John William born around that time but the ones we have come up with, How do I progress?

Sam

[Josephine]

Sam,

That is confusing!

I think this is the same family in 1861:

Wargrave, Berkshire

William Goodall, 27, born Wargrave, Berkshire
Elizabeth Goodall, 24, born Wargrave, Berkshire
John Goodall, 1, born Wargrave, Berkshire

The same couple, William & Elizabeth, is listed in 1881, with lots of children.


Is it possible that this is the wrong John:
"Found John William b Oxford 1859. Ordered cert and date is 28/4/1859 Father William mother Jane Wilkinson nee Goodall" ?


Is it possible for you to access the marriage and baptism records for this area?

If you could find baptismal records for the children as listed in 1871, you might find their parents' marriage at the same church.  Unless, of course, John was baptized elsewhere... argh.

Or you could order a birth record for one of the children as listed in 1871 (not counting John, of course) and see what the mother's name is.

Unless Elizabeth was William's second wife? 

Good luck!
Josephine