Robert CARPENTER of All Cannings

[Bathonian]

I'm looking for any information on Robert Carpenter, who would have been born around 1795 at All Cannings. I've no information on his wife or family, only his daughter, Harriet born in 1814, in All Cannings. Any information woul be much appreciated.

[willow2670]

Do you know waht Robert's occupation was?

1841 HO107/1171/7 Folio 59

Robert Carpenter 45             Occ. Carpenter
Sarah 46
Lydia 20
John 15                                  .."..  .......".......
Sarah 13
George 11
Jane 10
Robert 9
Ann 6
Nelsons Place, Chippenham, Wiltshire
(all born Wiltshire)


Sue

[Bathonian]

Thanks for the propt reply.  On the certificate it was given as Labourer, and that was in April 1840, which meant she had left home before the census.

[alanmack]

I believe that the Robert Carpenter you are seeking is my 3xG GF. From other posts I have seen of yours that you may have a lot of the information that I could supply but I thought it would be good to check.

I hope after all this time I may be of some help.

Alan

[Bathonian]

Hi Alan,
Checking through my records, I've found Robert's wife, Martha Merrett, married 23 October1796 at All Cannings. He was born 12 April 1771 in Marden, and died 3 September 1820 in All Cannings. They had 8 children, and his father was Richard Carpenter, mother Lucie, but I have no surname for her. I found the male line back about 6 generations to about 1600, but I'm short of the names of the wives, except for their christian names. If you have any information on these I'd very much appreciate it.

Ken

[alanmack]

Yes, that's the right couple. Robert's father I believe married a Lucy Burbage in Erlestoke on 30 Oct 1765 but unless I'm completely wrong that's as far as I've been able to get. Except for a bit of speculation. A member of the Rivers family b. All Cannings married an Abraham Burbidge in Urchfont at a time when Lucy would have been a small girl. He came from Keevil where there are plenty of Burbidges of both spellings and a number of Lucys most of whom seem to have died in infancy. So I'm stuck really.

Regarding the other wives, why couldn't all the Richard Carpenters marry anybody but a Mary?  I can't help with surnames either I'm afraid. I have a number back to before 1700 tentatively but I would be very interested to see your "take" on the list to 1600.

Alan

[Bathonian]

Hi Alan,
Thanks for that piece of information. Lucie died 25 April 1784. They were classed as poor and the cost of burial was paid by the parish.
Richard was born in Marden on 4 December 1746. Going backwards from his father, I have :-
Richard, b. 14 Feb 1717 in Marden, married to Mary ?
Richard, b. 8 Apr. 1692 in Marden, married to Mary?
Richard, no dob. but b.in Marden, married to Elinor, who died 25 May 1693 in Mardon.
Richard, b. 18 Feb 1623 in Mardon, married to Anne ?
Richard, no dob. married to Annie who died 11 Feb 1661.
His mother was called Elinor and she died 17 Oct 1626 in Mardon.
That's all I have on the Carpenters, except for a little on the Merretts. It seems that they were not very original when it came to names in those days.  The dates I've given were for christenings and burials, which I've taken for births and deaths.
I hope this will be of a little help.

Ken

[alanmack]

Hi Ken,
       Thanks very much for that stuff. I had only a few dates from those listed. but I had two for Richard chr 174X.

   I did an IGI search on Richard Carpenter and Mary as parents and extracted the Marden references and found three groups of children.

The earliest group contained Richard (chr.14 Feb 1717) and two siblings, Mary (6 Mar 1720) and Joseph (17 Oct 1724).

The second group contains six children - Barnice, Richard(1), Richard(2), Mary, Robert and Sarah with dates between 1743 and 1753. Richard(1) was christened 3 Aug 1745 and, as you point out, Richard (2) on 4 Dec 1746. But which was which? Is there an early death/burial record I've not uncovered? The duplication does not look to me like a simple trancription error.

Just to complicate matters further, the third group contains two children with dates in 1755 and 1757, Elenor and Ann, the children of Richard and Mary CarpenDer. The dates would allow them to be sisters of the previous group if one assumes that the surname is just another mis-spelling by whoever filled in the Parish Register. But who knows?

Thanks again

Alan

[Bathonian]

Hi Alan,
As regards the two Richards. The first was christened 3 Aug 1745 and he was buried on 27 Aug 1745. Barnice b. 10 July 1743 was buried 29 Oct 1745. From the same family Sarah b. 8 Jan 1753 was buried 19 June 1753.
Hope that helps.

Ken