COMPLETE - 1891 Census Shoreditch, SAWYER Please

[hilbury]

Hi there,

Can someone please look up the 1891 Census for:

James Robert Weidon SAWYER about 19 years
He was born in Shorditch (1872) and married in Bethnal Green (1896)
Father - Mathias David SAWYER (died 1873)
Mother - Frances Elizabeth

I don't know where he was in 1891

Thank you
Hilary

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what was his wifes name? I like to work from 1901 backwards. I have found a James b in Kentish town but need more details.( he was a boarder in sussex)
Thanks
ruth

[hilbury]

Hi Ruth,

I hadn't thought as far as 1901 yet, but this is probably a better time to find him with his wife and any children born.

James Robert Wiedon SAWYER is my Great-Grandfather, Born Haggerstone West, Shorditch, 31st August 1872 (I have this Birth cert)

James was married to Mary Nockles 1st March 1896 at 23 years (I have this Marriage cert) St Philip's Church, Bethnal Green.

I don't know about any children until my Grandfather (James Robert Sawyer) born about 1916. Still searching for his birth cert. But have his marriage cert wth 'Father' James Robert Weidon Sawyer.

James R W's father was Mathias David SAWYER, who died in 1873 I think James was 'orphaned out' by his mother (unless she died too???) I think I have James in the 1881 Census at Anglesea House Cordwainer & Bread St Wards School, Plumstead, Kent, Emgland. As a Boarder James W. Sawyer, age 9, birthplace - Haggerstone, Middlesex.

Opps.... rambled on a bit

Thanks for your help
Hilary

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Thanks Hilary, the more info the better. Yes I had seen him in kent at school - will look for him and Mary now.
Here is the family in 1871
 
 
Elizabeth Sawyer 25  Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Wife  St Leonard Shoreditch  London   
Mathias David Sawyer 28  Kingsland, Middlesex, England Head  St Leonard Shoreditch  London   
Robert Sawyer 5  Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Son  St Leonard Shoreditch  London   
Amelia Stubbings 16  Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Visitor  St Leonard Shoreditch  London
   
RG10/463 Folio 16 Page 25
Shoreditch 

Ruth

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i am having great difficulty finding him on 1891 and 1901! what was Marys age when they were married - maybe I need to work on her age and place of birth. Anyway here is brother robert in 1901 will get there with james!!(hopefully)
 
Harriett Sawyer 37  Kingsland N Wife  Leyton  Essex   
Lilly Sawyer 15  N E, Hackney Daughter  Leyton  Essex   
Robert M D Sawyer 35  N E, Bethnal Green Head  Leyton  Essex   
Rose Sawyer 12  Hackney Daughter  Leyton  Essex   
Thomas F Sawyer 6 months  Leyton, Essex, England Son  Leyton  Essex   
Violet Sawyer 5  Hackney Daughter  Leyton  Essex   
William M D Sawyer 7  Hackney Son  Leyton  Essex   

 and in 1891:

Sawyer, Harriet 27 Shoreditch, London Wife  Bethnal Green  London   
Sawyer, Lillie 5 Hackney, London Daughter  Bethnal Green  London   
Sawyer, Robert 26 Bethnal Green, London Head  Bethnal Green  London   
Sawyer, Rose 2 Hackney, London Daughter  Bethnal Green  London   

[hilbury]

Thank you Ruth for all your trouble. 

I am having great difficulty finding him on 1891 and 1901! what was Marys age when they were married - maybe I need to work on her age and place of birth.

Mary was 28 when they married.
I found her and her family in 1881 Census

They were at 166 Lansdown Rd
London, Middlesex, England

Father - James Nockles, 35
Mother - Mary Nockles, 33
Children:
Mary, 13 (married James R W Sawyer,1st Mar 1896)
James, 11
Elizabeth, 9
John, 7
Charles, 5
Rose, 4
Henry G, 5
Arthur, 3m

The first 5 children were born in Shoreditch and the last 3 born in Hackney

On James and Mary's (Sawyer) marriage certificate James was living at 86 Bacon street and Mary was at 24 Bacon street, I guess Bacon Street is in Bethnal Green.... but I don't know.
James occupation is General dealer and he has given his father as 'Robert' (not Mathias, deceased) Sawyer who was a Gas fitter.

Thank you again for your help
I very much appreciate it
Hilary

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here is mary in 1891

Nockles 2 Wks Hackney, London Son  Hackney  London   
Nockles, Alfred 2 Shoreditch, London Son  Hackney  London   
Nockles, Ann 22 St Luke, London Daughter-in-law  Hackney  London   
Nockles, Jack 17 Shoreditch, London Son  Hackney  London   
Nockles, James 21 Shoreditch, London Son  Hackney  London   
Nockles, Mary 43 Shoreditch, London Head  Hackney  London    washer

Nockles, Mary 23 Shoreditch, London Daughter  Hackney  London    machinist
Nockles, Rose 13 Hackney, London Daughter  Hackney  London   

Mother mary was a widow  - the family residing at 6 old windsor road
ruth

[hilbury]

Wow!!

Mary (Senior) still having children at 43..... poor thing.

Thanks again Ruth