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Welsh for 'Family Tree'? Completed
« on: Friday 02 June 06 13:55 BST (UK) »
Can any Welsh speakers tell me what is the Welsh for 'Family Tree'? Is it a literal translation, or is there a Welsh phrase? None of my dictionaries help or the online translation services. Dw i'n dysgu Cymraeg. (I'm learning Welsh).

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Re: Welsh for 'Family Tree'?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 02 June 06 14:05 BST (UK) »
I think we would refer to it as 'Hel Achau' but others might give you a more literal translation  :)

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Re: Welsh for 'Family Tree'?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 02 June 06 15:42 BST (UK) »
Thank you Gadget. I was going down the lines of the literal translation, but it didn't feel quite right.

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Bryan - Caernarfon,  Mid Wales, Shropshire
Davies - Amlwch - Anglesey and Caernarfon
Elcox -  Kington - Herefordshire and S.Wales ,
Hodges - Dymock - Gloucestershire and S.Wales
Pope - Tenbury Wells - Worcestershire, Hope Bagot -Shropshire
Morvan - Herefordshire
Levy - Aldgate, Spitalfields, Whitechapel, Hackney, Holland
Wywiecki/Wiewiecki - Belchatow - Poland, East London

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Re: Welsh for 'Family Tree'?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 02 June 06 16:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Sian (with a ty bach over the 'a'!)
I don't know whether you've found this site but it's worth using it for the odd word -  phrases not so good:

http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/fun/welsh/LexiconForms.html

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Re: Welsh for 'Family Tree'?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 02 June 06 17:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks again Gadget for the link. As you say, not much good for phrases, but still helpful.
I use Character map for the ty bach.

Diolch yn fawr (practising at every opportunity!!! -  :))

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Bryan - Caernarfon,  Mid Wales, Shropshire
Davies - Amlwch - Anglesey and Caernarfon
Elcox -  Kington - Herefordshire and S.Wales ,
Hodges - Dymock - Gloucestershire and S.Wales
Pope - Tenbury Wells - Worcestershire, Hope Bagot -Shropshire
Morvan - Herefordshire
Levy - Aldgate, Spitalfields, Whitechapel, Hackney, Holland
Wywiecki/Wiewiecki - Belchatow - Poland, East London

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Re: Welsh for 'Family Tree'?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 03 June 06 10:15 BST (UK) »
Hi,
the best online dictionary I've found is  this one:

http://www.geiriadur.net/.

"Family tree" in Welsh is cofrestr hynafiaid (literally pedigree register) or rhestr achau (genealogical table).

As with many phrases and idioms, they cannot be literally translated.

Pob lwc efo'r ddysgu iaith anodd ond pwysig.

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John Jones in Llanelli
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Re: Welsh for 'Family Tree'?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 03 June 06 10:19 BST (UK) »
... but then again D, hel achau describes it better - chasing/tracing one's family or ancestry  ;)

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Re: Welsh for 'Family Tree'?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 03 June 06 11:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you both very much for the translations and the dictionary sites.
Don't know about chasing one's tree Gadget - more like wading through mud with the occasional moment of high flying !  ;)
And still we plod on with our hunt  :)

Siān (happily wading around in patronimic genealogy)
Bryan - Caernarfon,  Mid Wales, Shropshire
Davies - Amlwch - Anglesey and Caernarfon
Elcox -  Kington - Herefordshire and S.Wales ,
Hodges - Dymock - Gloucestershire and S.Wales
Pope - Tenbury Wells - Worcestershire, Hope Bagot -Shropshire
Morvan - Herefordshire
Levy - Aldgate, Spitalfields, Whitechapel, Hackney, Holland
Wywiecki/Wiewiecki - Belchatow - Poland, East London