Hull local knowledge needed

[Nick Carver]

The final resting place of great grandad William Carver continues to elude me. I have been into FRC and trawled through the death indexes for his entry to no avail. The last indication of his continued existence was in the 1915 note recording the death of his son Arthur on the Somme. He was then living in Thomas St on Hedon Rd and would have been 60 the following year.

An elderly cousin of my late father thought that he was buried in Hedon Rd cemetery, but a very kind persion in the Bereavement Services dept of Hull Council says there is no record of him there. However, she did say that there was a Jewish cemetery in the vicinity and that I might need to check the records for that.

Questions that spring to mind - would Hedon Rd cemetery be the most likely resting place for William if his address did not change prior to his demise? I do not think he was Jewish, having been baptised and married in a CofE church, but could non Jews be buried there? Is there any other cemetery I could check? (Now onto real long shots) If he had committed suicide for instance, would his death be recorded and would he be allowed to be buried in consecrated ground? As a seaman, what would be the process if he decided he wanted to be buried at sea? Do the same records apply?

As you can tell, this is one serious brickwall and rather annoying in that it is in my direct line and I know more about my 7xgrandfather than I do about William. Any suggestions gratefully received - the more 'off the wall' the better, as I have exhausted the obvious answers.

Many thanks

[Bee]

Hi Nick

The most obvious place of burial, assuming non Jewish, for anyone from the Thomas Street area would be Hedon Road cemetery.

But
As the last date you have for William is during the WW1, he may have moved to avoid the zeppelin raids.

My best guess, assuming burial not cremation, would be Western cemetery at the junction of Chanterlands Avenue and Spring Bank West.

Another possibility is the cemetery in Sculcoates Lane, burials where still taking place there in the 1920's but is now long since closed.

Another thought, could you or someone look at the Electoral Rolls to see if he was still living in Thomas Street after the war and if he was, when did he disappear from the Rolls.

happy hunting
Bee

[Jeano]

Hello,Nick and Bee- the Cemetery across the road from Western Cemetery-very old-is it called General Cemetery?Think it does have a different name to Western,also there is Northern Cemetery-some old graves I think there.The Cemetery Records-are they still held at Northern Cemetery,Chanterlands Avenue? Would they be able to help?ALSO-Marfleet Lane-is the Cemetery there only post WW! graves?
Just a few ideas-good hunting,Jeano

[Nick Carver]

Further input. I went back to my late father's cousin who had originally felt he knew nothing about the situation and he has now recalled as a small boy in the 1930s visiting his grandfather's grave which he described as not being marked by a stone and possibly being in a common grave along with others (not relatives). It was just inside the gate to Hedon Rd cemetery, to the right. Apparently when this cousin told his father (himself the son of William Carver) about this, the father was annoyed. So possibly the makings of a family scandal to uncover.

Does anybody recognise any significance of an area to the right just inside the gates of the cemetery? His wife was later buried in Northern cemetery by the way.

Thanks

[antiquarian_m]

Yes, that's Hedon Road cemetary, Its still there, it was one of the first (if not the first) Hull cemetary to have cremations, I believe this first crematorium is up for sale!! not sure even I would like to live there, its set well within the graveyard, and next door is Hull high security Prison, ...would make a superb Hammer House of Horrors movie!! ghouls ghosts and escaped murderous prisoners, lol whatever next!

Unfortunately I am going away for a few weeks, but know you have located it, I am sure others can help.

Happy hunting

Tony (Antiquarian)

[antiquarian_m]

Whoops, forgot to mention...

I wonder if he was cremated? I know it caused a lot of problems when they re-introduced this, and maybe that was why he had no headstone! it would also explain the drift in relationships.

When you pass through the gates, the crematorium is to your right, it was behind this they built walls, like a rockery/ruined abbey type set up, with plaques and nooks for the ashes to be put in, maybe this was to pasify those who where simply buried next to the building!

This is just a thought, but maybe the reason why he is not registered as being buried there is because it just be his ashes!

Hope it helps.

Tony

[otters]

Hi,

I don't want to make things even more difficult but I knew my grandparents were buried in Hedon road cemetery and went in to ask if they could tell me where to look. I gave them the burial dates of both and was told there was no trace of them. They suggested it could be a different cemetery. It meant walking up and down the lines of headstones until I found the one I wanted. It was there as I knew it would be.

Good luck in your search.

[Rena]

I travelled 100 miles to visit the beautifully restful Hedon Rd cemetery this month in an effort to find the grave of my gt.grandfather who is not on the National Burial Index, this means I haven't been able to order a death cert.  The lodgehouse resident does not have a plot plan of the cemetery but did advise me not to wander around in case of schoolboy muggers.  The attendant at the Chanterlands Ave Crematorium (this is nowhere near the two Chants. Ave cemeteries which house my paternal grandparents) advised me to go to the Hull Registrar's office to get a reference number. Then, once I had the reference no. I should go back to look in the Chants Ave Crematorium records.  However, The Registrar had to advise me that they cannot give a ref. number until I have looked through the St. Catherine's House Death Index (apparently on micro fiche @ all large libraries).  From the info given on the St.Cath's Death Index I should order a death cert, then present the death cert to Hull registrar's Office and from that info the Registrar can give me a ref. number to sally forth to Chants Ave. Crematorium where I should be able to finally locate the correct record book which confirms the cemetery and gives gt.grandfather's plot no.

I hope that's clearer than mud:-)
Rena exiled in Lancashire.

[Jeano]

 8)Hello all,I THOUGHT that the EYFHS were doing a record of the gravestones-at least they said they were planning to do Hedon Road ones- I have been waiting-like a cat on a hot tin roof-for just that event!SO-are they [planning to-OR NOT-does anyone know please?I WISH when as a child I used to go there with Mum and clean the gravestones that I had read them and noted them down!OH -the lost opportunity!Jeano