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How can I clean an old photo?
« on: Wednesday 14 June 06 22:29 BST (UK) »
I have an old photo, printed about 1900 on some sort of card. I'd like to scan it but it's really dirty, not just fingerprints but general 'grime'.  It's a family group and it's hard to see some of the people's faces.  There are also a few wax-like drops on it, maybe candlewax.

Is there anything I can do without wiping away the print for good?  IPA on lint free cloth has been suggested for the grime; is this OK?  What about the wax?

Comments welcome before I do anything.

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Re: How can I clean an old photo?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 June 06 22:41 BST (UK) »
Sherwood,

IPA (Isopropylalcohol) is a solvent which is great for cleanin things like CDs and Vinyl records. I'm not sure about its use on photographs. Try a very small corner of the photo first, and allow it to dry.

The first step should be to scan it / photograph it as well as you possibly can before you attempt anything at all.


The chances are the photo is on a paper based backing, which makes it feel like card. I'm talking as an amateur photographer who has had a little experience in developing work, I'd be very careful. It may be best to go to your local library and ask for the contact for the local Photographic Society and asking them.

I'd imagine the advice would be to wash the print, and then dry it in a proper print dryer.

The wax should peel off with your finger nail - but don't force it off. Don't heat up your print.

So like I say, go to your local Photographic Society, they'll have much better advice than me.

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Re: How can I clean an old photo?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 June 06 00:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Sherwood,
                       Do as Trystan says. Don't clean it yourself under any circumstances.
I knew some body who had an old photo which felt " gummy" on the surface. He
carefully cleaned it and the gum started to come off. What he didn't realise was that
the gum was the photographic emulsion that was deteriorating due to the age of the
photo. You have shown good sense in asking. Get professional advice.
Good luck,
Tomkin
     

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Re: How can I clean an old photo?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 June 06 01:03 BST (UK) »
Just to re-enforce the others - don't touch it, but do try to scan it and get it re-photographed as well if you can.

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Re: How can I clean an old photo?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 June 06 02:46 BST (UK) »
I agree that you should get professional advice as the method
and paper that photo's have been printed on has changed over
the years, but I can tell you that I had some success on a 1940's
photo taken with a box brownie by using a wedge cut from a
potato and used as a gentle squeegee and the residue mopped
with a tissue, but try it on a corner first!!.

This tip was given to me by a press photographer, and I have only
ever used this method once.

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Re: How can I clean an old photo?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 June 06 03:11 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

If the photo dates from 1900-ish then it's more than likely a silver gelatine emulsion. 

For any photograph I would recommend against solvent (wet) treatments by anyone other than a qualified conservator.  The reason for this is that you can never be sure, particularly with older photos, what the emulsion is, or what deterioration is going on that you may not be able to see.  More damage can be done to the photograph and is irreversible.  Best leave this kind of treatment to the experts.  Silver gelatine emulsion is sensitive to water in particular.  Collodion emulsions react badly to acetone...there are a multitude of other problems.

Sherwood, I would suggest that to clean your photo you use dry methods only.  The simplest and safest way to do this is using cotton wool, and grated crumbs of white plastic eraser (like the Mars Staedtler ones, just grated up with a [clean!] kitchen grater).  I must stress that you shouldn't use this method if there are cracks or peeling bits on the surface of your photo, as they may get bigger and eraser can get lodged underneath the lifting bits.

So, if you have a nice healthy photo surface, get together enough eraser crumbs to fill maybe a teacup, some pure cotton wool, and a piece of clean paper.  Make sure your hands are very clean, no creams or anything, and wear white cotton gloves if you have access to them (you can get them at the chemist).

The clean paper is for you to place over the bits of the photograph that you are not currently cleaning, to protect it from your hands - the warmth of your hands can soften the emulsion.

Take a small piece of cotton wool, or a cotton ball, and pulling it tight (so that it's not "fluffy") gently wipe it over the surface of the photo in a circular motion.  End the circle by wiping over and off the edge of the photo - this means any loose dirt particles are swept off onto the work surface.  Keep doing this across the whole photo surface, changing the cotton wool as it picks up the dirt.

ONce you have finished this process, if dirt is still evident, do the same thing with a bit of teh eraser crumbs.  Put a spoonful of crumbs onto a corner of the photo, and with your fingers flat on top of the crumbs, gently move them in a circular motion across the photo, without applying any pressure.  As the crumbs pick up dirt and turn a grey colour, tip them off and add new crumbs.  Continue until you've done the whole picture.

If you have persistent small areas of dirt, you can cut a little chip or wedge off the eraser, and use the thin edge of the wedge to wipe over the offending area.  Don't apply pressure.

If your photo is still too dirty to scan, or you're otherwise not happy with the result, it is probably time to call a conservator and get them to clean it up for you.

With the wax, you can try heating it up using the low setting of a hair dryer, protecting the rest of the photo with a mask of paper or card.  As the wax softens, try to very gently peel/wipe it off perhaps with a cotton bud or a very fine, blunt knife.  If it doesn't soften though, leave it where it is, because it's probably soaked through the emulsion to the paper base, and will peel away the whole thing if you try to force it.

I hope that helps  :)

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Re: How can I clean an old photo?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 June 06 21:29 BST (UK) »
Thank you for advice.  I suspected the answer might be along the lines of "don't".  I'll at least do a few scans first and maybe (just maybe) try dry cleaning as suggested by PrueM, but then only on a corner where there is just background.  I'm not sure about the wax.  Hair dryer and blunt knife sounds a bit scary.  I don't want to be saying "oops, sorry".  Probably easier (and safer) to fix with clone brush in Paintshop Pro.

The photo actually belongs to my mum and is believed to be my grandad's aunt, her husband and their children.  In regard of the date, they were a large family and the (14) children were born between 1878 and 1900.  The photo includes some of these children but I don't know which ones they are.  A reasonable guess is that the photo dates between 1890 and 1905.

It's not in the realms of 'family heirloom' but of course I wouldn't want to spoil what's left.

Thanks again for the advice.

Sherwood.

PS I'll post a scan as and when I get to do it.
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Re: How can I clean an old photo?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 June 06 22:51 BST (UK) »

I have on occasion had success with cleaning dirt from photos using a piece of bread like a gentle rubber......not that I'm suggesting you try it but it does work amazingly well for some reason....

For my part I would be inclined to go to your Library, as has been mentioned, at least they will point you in the right direction I'm sure..

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Re: How can I clean an old photo?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 June 06 22:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Michael  :)
The bread would act like the eraser crumbs I described above, picking up dirt as they move across the surface of the photo.
The trouble with bread is that it might leave a residue that will attract insects or other pests, or cause deterioration over time.  Even with eraser crumbs you have to be careful to remove them all from the photo when you've finished.
Cheers
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