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Lydney Parish records - Help (Completed)
« on: Monday 26 June 06 23:17 BST (UK) »
I have tracked down 3 of my families to their marriage in the parish register of Lydney in the early 1810's.  All three of the marriages were by banns.

In all three cases, I have no information on the parents of the bride or groom.  According to the marriage register both the bride and groom were of the Lydney parish.  I also have no information on any siblings of the bride or groom.

Based on their approxiate births none of these relatives are in the IGI index for Lydney.  One even though he states he was of the parish of Lydney, census records show that he was from Blackrod, Lancashire.
 
None of the relatives left a will or show up in the probate records.  Any help in what steps I should take next.  Thanks...    Deb   :(

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Re: Lydney Parish records - Help
« Reply #1 on: Monday 26 June 06 23:45 BST (UK) »
The IGI is not infallible, so there may be a reason why you can't find your relatives there.
If you go to Hugh Wallis's website at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis
and click your way to the Gloucestershire section you will see that the IGI covers Lydney as follows:
Christenings 1661-1812
                     1813-1876
Marriages 1664-1740
                 1741-1753
                 1754-1837
From what you say I assume that you can't find the info you need from a combination of the data included in those christenings and marriages. As you have already found them in the parish registers do the names of any witnesses of the marriage give any clues to their parents or other relatives?

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« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 June 06 23:57 BST (UK) »
Neither witness shows up in any family records, nor as far as I can tell is listed next to them in the censuses.  I read some where that if the couple was married by license, that there was a marriage allegiation and marriage bond, which had additional information.  I am assuming that these additional records were only created if they were married by banns.

For all three couples, I don't have where they are buried nor the tombstone inscriptions.      If these couples are from the same parish, I would assume that there might be tombstones near by for additional family members.

Does anyone know how I might go about getting these tombstone inscriptions, as I live out of the country.  Thanks...   

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 June 06 07:33 BST (UK) »
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If a couple were married by banns there was no need for a licence. Vice versa, if a couple were married by licence there was no need for banns to be called, So, from what you say, in each of your 3 cases there are no licences to look for.
You are very unlucky if, for marriages in 1810s, no witnesses are shown in the marriage register for each of the 3 marriages.
Not everyone was commemorated by a tombstone. If they were, the detail on the tombstone may not have survived the English climate or any subsequent changes in the burial ground. One possible source of help is if someone  has prepared a record of mounumental inscriptions.
But I suspect that you first need to establish for sure where they are buried. So, if you agree with what I have said so far, I would recommend starting a new thread asking for look-ups in the Lydney burial registers after early 1810s quoting the names of the 3 couples involved.
I can't help you myself because I live a long way from there but someone on the Gloucestershire board may


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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 July 06 16:44 BST (UK) »
I have the exact date of death from the parish records but again it states the abode as just either Lydney or Purliers.  It does not state the cemetery where they are buried.

As to the marriage parish record there are two witnesses to each of the marriages but in all cases, one witness was the church clerk and the other witness's name doesn't show up anywhere within the family nor near the couple in the 1841 census.  I am in the process of tracking down the banns register for all 3 marriages to see if anything shows up.  Other than this, I am not sure which direction to take.
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 July 06 23:32 BST (UK) »
I have the exact date of death from the parish records but again it states the abode as just either Lydney or Purliers.  It does not state the cemetery where they are buried.

As to the marriage parish record there are two witnesses to each of the marriages but in all cases, one witness was the church clerk and the other witness's name doesn't show up anywhere within the family nor near the couple in the 1841 census.  I am in the process of tracking down the banns register for all 3 marriages to see if anything shows up.  Other than this, I am not sure which direction to take.
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It's more usual for a parish burial register to record the date of burial rather than the date of death. The entry in that register would have been made by the priest or sexton or parish clerk on the day of (or very soon after) the burial and the entries often give some family information (eg son of X) which, if the registers are in reasonably good condition, are available to read today.
 Conversely, it's more usual for a tombstone to record the date of death rather than the date of burial. Tombstones are usually made and set up quite some time (months or even years)after burial to allow the ground to settle. Some graves never have tombstones because families could not afford them and they deteriorate or are removed to make room for others. So whatever information was recorded on any tombstone is very likely to be eroded or destroyed.
I have just googled 'Lydney cemetery' and the third hit in the list was for Saint Mary's Lydney churchyard and cemetery. The website link includes some inscriptions from some graves in that place. Perhaps that is where you got your details from. If that is so then it follows that those graves are in Lydney Saint Mary's churchyard and cemetery. If you got your information from the parish burial register then it is almost as certain that the grave is in the churchyard/cemetery of that parish unless it says to the contrary. This church is the only C of E church in Lydney that I can find.
I don't know a place called Purliers and I can't find it on Google.
It sounds as if you are having a very tough time with your searches which I guess is inevitable if you are so distant from the records. I'm afraid that in my experience banns registers only show the names of the couple intending to marry and their parish and the dates on which the banns were called so I don't think they are likely to help you. I hope I am wrong.
Perhaps if you quote the names of the people you are trying to trace someone will help



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Re: Lydney Parish records - Help
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 02 July 06 19:58 BST (UK) »
Hi

When you say 'Purliers' you are probably after 'Purton' which is just outside of Lydney - about 3 miles at most.

I have just read your other post with the names you are researching and I can go take a look tomorrow in the church yard if you like - as long as it is not too hot!

Joanne  :D
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 02 July 06 20:42 BST (UK) »
Joanne,

That maybe correct as I know that the 1841 and 1851 census showed them in Purton.  The 1861 census had the street name as Purliers.  If you could take a look it would greatly be appreciated.  Thanks...   Deb

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Re: Lydney Parish records - Help
« Reply #8 on: Monday 03 July 06 05:37 BST (UK) »
What are the names of these people?

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