1841 Census Do they contain PRISONERS (COMPLETED

[rodhill]

Hi
I am looking to find a William HOLINESS who on the 5 Jan 1841 was sentenced to 7 years transportation at St Augustines but never left England till 1842 on the John Brewer

Would he be listed on the 1841 Census??

[Arranroots]

Hi Rodhill

Yes, prisons should have been included.

Can you give an idea of his age and where he was born please (in Kent?)

Have you seen the gaol calendars - they often give an indication of where the prisoner was to be held prior to transportation.

kind regards, Arranroots 

[rodhill]

William HOLNESS was born 1817 Wingham . I have not come across goal calenders before but the John Brewer (convict hulk) left Sheerness
I sorry but should have mentioned it before
Rod
Tasmania

[casalguidi]

Hi Rod

I don't think the hulks (vessels) were including in the 1841 census or at least the returns for them may not survive see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/census.html

However, there are quarterly returns of convict hulks held at the National Archives, Kew, London see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=253 - particularly the HO8 series

Searching the catalogue brings up one document for the "John Brewer" convict ship December 1841 - would your ancestor have been on that? I'm not sure what information the document would hold. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/

I'm not sure that convict ships were the same as prison/convict hulks - the latter stationary in and around the Thames estuary and not necessarily used for the transportation of prisoners

Casalguidi

[casalguidi]

You may well have made progress with this old request but, if not, prisoner 6905 William HOLNESS age 23 was convicted of stealing irons at the St Augustine Quarter Sessions 5 Jan 1841.  He was held on the hulk "Fortitude" at Chatham and left for the "John Brewer" 22 Nov 1841.

Casalguidi

[rodhill]

Many thanks casalguidi
much appreciated
Rod