Mary Ann Dunning/Carleton

[CatOne]

In 1871 I have a Mary Ann Carleton and sons Arther (2mo) and Claude (3) living with Mary Ann's parents John and Hannah Dunning in Wolstanton, Staffs (+ Mary Ann's siblings) Familysearch has a christening of Claude in 1870, Bordesley, Warwick to parents Henry and Mary Ann Carleton.

Later though the boys seem to change their name back to Dunning, then back to Carleton (Arthur anyway, can't find Claude! What is it with these "Claudes" that they keep vanishing?!  )

Mary Ann Carleton marries in 1873, to John Smith

Can anyone find the elusive Henry Carleton, his marriage to Mary Ann, or Claude in the later censuses (I've found Arthur, married and widowed before the 1901 census and using the surname Carleton)

Thanks
Catherine 

[CatOne]

Amended: Claudes' with his grandparents John and Hannah, in 1881, in Tunstall, Wolstanton. Its after this I can't find him.

[CatOne]

New development -

In 1901, John and Mary Ann Smith, nee Dunning (late Carleton?) are missing, but their children Joseph, Hannah, Mary and Charles are living in Tunstall with "sister in law" Helen Carleton b. Ireland c1873 and her "nephews" Claude and Joseph Carleton (I havent a clue who Claude and Joseph's parents are but I have the birth references so I can find out easily enough)

But -

Who is Helen Carleton? I was wondering if she was Mary Ann Carletons (and Henry's) daughter? so "sister in law" meaning stepsister really....... Could Henry Carleton have been in the army and Mary Ann went with him? Having Helen (+ any more?) whilst over there? How can I get a birth certificate to prove this? and find Henry? As Mary Ann remarried in June quarter of 1873, Henry must have died 1872/3.

[jorose]

Do you have the birth certificates of either Arthur and Claude to see what Henry's occupation was?

Are you sure Claude and Joseph Carleton are Helen's nephews? Normally it would be the nephew of whoever was head of house, so if Joseph Smith was, then Helen Carleton is his sister in law (married to or widowed from either Arthur or Claude?), Claude and Joseph Helen's daughters (and nephews to the Smiths via one of their half-brothers).  She appears to be listed as 'married', at least on the index.

[CatOne]

I havent found birth references for Arthur and Claude yet 

Helen Carleton is listed as head of the household, and I 've just found a marriage reference for a Claude Leon A Carleton and Ellen Turner in St Germans, Cornwall, 1898 I think it was. So, Is Claude Leon Mary Ann's son? and is Ellen the Helen in the 1901 census? If so, where is Claude Leon? Thats why I was wondering about an army connection/Ireland.

I've sent off for this marriage certificate anyway, so hopefully Claudes father will be listed as Henry, and occupations will be given too! I'll update thread when certificate comes.

Thanks for replying
Catherine 

[CatOne]

Just received the marriage certificate of Claude Leon Alexander Carleton and Ellen Turner 09/09/1897 Antony, Cornwall.

Claude is 26, Bachelor, Sergeant in Worcestershire Regt. place of residence Tregantle Fort, and his father is listed as Claude Carleton, Jeweller.

Ellen Turner is 26, a widow, place of residence Devonport, and her father is Edmund Armstrong, Smith.

So....was father "Claude" just invented to cover for an absent father? Can anyone find a Claude Carleton, Jeweller?? I cant!

Also can anyone have more luck than me at finding a birth for Claude? And is Ellen Turner the Helen Carleton I've found with my Smith children in 1901?? Can anyone find Edmund Armstrong, her father?

The witnesses are William Durham and Helen Milner (I havent found a suitable William Durham on the censuses but if hes also in the army then he could be anywhere I suppose - I've found a possible for Helen Milner in the 1901 census with husband William, a sergeant in the Worcestershire Regt - Military Cottages, Kempsey Worcestershire - Helens 32 born Birmingham and Williams 34 born Dudley, Worc)

I've spent most of the day searching for these people, so I hope someone can help before my computer goes through a window! 

Thanks
Catherine 

[Geoff E]

Taking note of Claude's 3rd name at his marriage, it might be of interest to know that the 1871 census has a Claude ALEXANDER age 46 who was a jeweller, living in London.

He has a son Claude who was age 5 in 1871, born Warwick.  Old Claude was born in Paris ... you must admit that the name Leon sounds a bit French.

There was a birth reg in Q1 1867 for a Claud ALEXANDER in London

EDIT:  The same family is in London in 1881, identified only by their initials ... both father and son are CL Alexander. (Best search is probably ALEXANDER born in France).  Birthplace for young CL is now Middlesex.

EDIT2:  Same jeweller found in 1861 as Claude L ALEZANDER ... a marriage in 1859 gives his middle name as Louis and wife as POULTON

It's probably all a coincidence, but quite remarkable that the only mature Claude ALEXANDER in 1871 was a jeweller!

[CatOne]

Thanks for replying 

If this is the family, I dont think hes my Claude, and I'm back to square one!    Will check this family out to find the mother and any other details. Wheres my Claude christened Bordesley, Warwick to mother Mary Ann?? 

Thanks again for helping
Catherine 

[CatOne]

Claude Alexander definitely isn't the one that married Ellen Turner because I've found him in 1901 married to a Rachel...so back to square one 

Am I missing something or is there no birth reference for Claude Carleton or his brother Arthur