1891/1901 lookup James Harry Brookes

[rbrooks]

I am looking for information for my great grandfather plus his siblings

James Harry Brookes born March 30, 1882 in Brierley Hill, Kingswinford. Married to Laura Pearson born February 1880 in Stambermill. Moved to Canada in 1906. My grandfather George Harry Brookes born in 1903. His obituary says born in Worcestershire England.

Father William Lewis Brookes Mother Ann Brookes(maybe nee Roberts)

Siblings

Beatrice Mary married Thomas James Chance in 1912 and moved to Austrailia
Arthur
Ernest
James Harry
Hannah Drisciall
George
William Lewis(I think might have died young and why a second one later)
John Thomas
Eliza Ann
William
Anne
Joseph
Benjamen(

[Tati]

Hi rbrooks,

Welcome to RootsChat 

I think I can see your family in 1891 but the image is absolutely terrible...  Sending you a personal message.

This looks like them in 1901
RG13/2761 137 11
Amblecote Quarry Bank, Staffordshire
Ann Brookes, head, wid, 53, b. Worcs Lye
Arthur, son, s, 21, General labourer, b. Staff Amblecote
James H, son, s, 19, Boot & Shoe Maker, b. do.
Hannah, dau, 13, b. do.

Tanja 

 

[Tati]

possible birth for George Harry:

George Harry Brookes
June quarter 1903 
Stourbridge registration district
Volume 6c page 168

and the marriage:
December quarter 1902
Stourbridge 6c 303
James Harry Brookes - Laura Pearson
 

[Tati]

Likely birth:
Beatrice Mary Brookes
Sep 1884 Stourbridge 6c 211
 

[rbrooks]

Thanks for all the information Tanja. Of course I am really confused now. I do have a copy of a family tree from my Aunt who went to Australia and I assume was given the information from Beatrice as it has all of her family members on it but the 1901 census is really confusing because where are the other 6 children(Ernest, Anne. Eliza, William Lewis, William and John Thomas). Did William Lewis Brooks die and where the kids distributed to other households between 1891 and 1901. I already assumed one child died young with the 2 William's listed on the family tree sheet I have but that census just makes things even more strange.

I guess the  records for Stoutridge is the way to go to find the rest of the information. I assume all of these are available through ancestory.com. I know my sister has a sheet of the birth of my James Harry that is cutoff but states father and mother, where born and date of birth. Is it much easier to read than that 1901 census was

Anyways once again thanks for help. Now to find some relatives. Must travel to England some day.

[Tati]

Hmm. Apart from Joseph*, it seems they were all old enough to have flown the nest...

They will be hard to track down too! 

So who do we have according to 1891 and 1901:

Ann ca. 1858

George 1875
Benjamin 1877
Arthur 1880
James Hy 1882
Beatrice Mary 1885?
Hannah 1888
Joseph E 1890

Have you found them in 1881? Were there other children? Does your aunt have birth years for everybody?
OK - have spotted the family in 1881. No other children! Did all the others die in infancy? 

*There is a Joseph Brooks age 11 born Amblecote, a pupil at Old Swinford Hospital and Sanatorium ("a charitable institution for the maintenance, clothing and education of orphans and other male children") in 1901

There is a Beatrice Brooks age 18  born Brierley Hill in service at High Street Brierley Hill in 1901

[rbrooks]

Yes. I was able to use your information and than used the West Midlands BMD as you suggested to find all of them

No my aunt did not have any birth dates. There real dates of birth hoping the BMD is correct and all born in Kingswinsford are

George T born in 1876
Benjamin in 1877
Arthur in 1879
Harry James in 1882
Beatrice Mary in 1884 or 1885
Hannah Driscillia in 1887
Joseph in 1889

Now using BMD I have determined that maybe William Lewis the father might have died in 1898 as a William L Brookes died in this year in Kingswinsford and he is not on the 1901 census.

BROOKES
William L
Kingswinford
Dudley
KIN/088/499

Looking up and keeping that the address is same in 1901 as in 1891 and that in 1881 they had just 3 children listed and thus none could have been born before George I doubt. I found  that these ones fit the criteria from the BMD and might be the extra kids and if George died maybe they went to relatives. A big maybe

1880 Ernest A
1892 Annie E
1897 John
1898 William S

Not finding anything else on Eliza or William Lewis as the other 2 children listed on the hierarchy I have at home here.

Question on BMD. They have a pay feature. Does this pay feature allow you to see the records from those certificate numbers or do you have to mail to the register still.

[Tati]

Hi again,

Unfortunately, you won't be able to see the certs immediately - they come by snail mail 

I wonder whether you are aware of the FreeBMD site?
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
 
I can see on there:
Death March quarter 1898
William Lewis Brookes
age 52
Stourbridge registration district 6c 121 

Hard to tell as far as Ernest is concerned ... there are at least 3 many Ernest A's registered in Staffordshire in 1880 

Tanja 

[rbrooks]

Hmm. Apart from Joseph*, it seems they were all old enough to have flown the nest...

*There is a Joseph Brooks age 11 born Amblecote, a pupil at Old Swinford Hospital and Sanatorium ("a charitable institution for the maintenance, clothing and education of orphans and other male children") in 1901

There is a Beatrice Brooks age 18  born Brierley Hill in service at High Street Brierley Hill in 1901

Now the question. Is there any other Brookes boys iin the Old Swinford Sanatorium that are younger than Joesph and born in Amblecote.  And how do you get that type of information. Extremely efficient. And how do I track going up from this Joesph. I believe it was 196/68  that he died or around this era. He sent inhertiances to my Aunt Louise Hoar and Gwen Shea, and my father and his siblings(Kay, James,  and Joy) also since my Grandfather George had died the year before. Unfortunately my aunts possessions dont have this document and my D

Another question is can George and Benjamin be found on the 1901 census to see if they lived in the area and if they had any children at that point or maybe took some of there younger brother/sisters if they did not die in child birth which could have happened for sure.