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navy boy, history of ship
« on: Wednesday 09 August 06 22:41 BST (UK) »
would some kind soul point me in the correct direction of the sailor's boy's cap? would love to know the history of his ship
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Re: navy boy, history of ship
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 August 06 22:53 BST (UK) »
Joe , Google  HMS Boscowan,,Lots of info on many sites..too much info to give here..



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Re: navy boy, history of ship
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 August 06 22:56 BST (UK) »
     google heritage coast hms boscawen & you come up with this, also pictures and other links,
    
   On the way up to the Nothe Fort you pass on your right some military brick buildings with a plaque bearing the name HMS Boscawen. Today Boscawen is the base of the local Sea Cadets but the name has been associated with Portland Harbour for a century and a half. 
           
The training ship Boscawen first arrived in Portland Roads in February 1862. She was a three decked sailing ship of the line, launched in 1844 but reduced to a hulk in 1862 and converted into a training ship for boy seamen. HMS Britannia had been the first training ship at Portland but the conditions in the anchorage had not suited her and she moved to Dartmouth where she became the forerunner of the Royal Naval College.

The original Boscawen at Portland left in 1873 and was replaced by HMS Trafalgar, which took on the name Boscawen and remained at Portland until she was sold in 1906. As the Royal Navy grew in size towards the end of the 19th century, so additional accommodation was required for boys' training.
 
           
 
HMS Boscawen after 1904
   To meet this demand, two old broadside ironclad warships were brought into service, first Minotaur in 1898 to be followed by Agincourt in 1904. They were known as Boscawen II and Boscawen III respectively.   
Agincourt, Boscawen and Minotaur after 1904
 
           
The design of warships changed dramatically in the last half of the nineteenth century with iron and steel taking the place of the 'wooden walls' and armour plate and with heavier breech loading guns in turrets taking the place of cannons. Much of the training of the boys, however, still reflected life under sail and activities ashore and on board prepared them for life at sea. They were required to set up topmast rigging and cross upper yards, and they learned to scrub and wash hammocks and to make and mend clothes. They also cleaned boats, took lead line instruction, engaged in physical drill, including dumb bell exercises and gymnastics, landed field artillery, learned rifle drill and, at the turn of the century, went ashore to receive machine gun and ammunition instruction. They coaled and painted ship, and formed a fire brigade which could be called ashore in an emergency. For this the 520 boys in 1872 received 3d per week pocket money. Supplies of food, regularly taken aboard, included fresh vegetables, beef, 'mouton', suet, corned pork and bread. Fresh water was also supplied. On Sundays the boys attended divine service. During the summer they were given leave and this provided an opportunity for dockyard men to join the ship to make good defects.

On some occasions the boys were prevented from going ashore by bad weather, and there were times when the ship was quarantined due to scarlet fever and other infectious diseases. Conditions were harsh and punishment could be severe. In 1866, for example, two boys each received 24 ‘cuts’ of the birch.

The Boscawen training ships left Portland in 1905 and the name lapsed until 1932, when the naval base at Portland was commissioned. This shore base, or 'stone frigate' was called HMS Boscawen later to become, with the advent of the helicopter, HMS Osprey. Fittingly the name Boscawen reverted to an organisation training young sailors, The Sea Cadets.
 
 
   
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Re: navy boy, history of ship
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 August 06 23:01 BST (UK) »
Have you searched for his service record ???

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/royal-navy-service.asp

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Re: navy boy, history of ship
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 August 06 23:37 BST (UK) »
what a cracking photo i couldn't resist it, hope i didn't spoil it,
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Re: navy boy, history of ship
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 August 06 23:51 BST (UK) »
Wow! Thanks kali, what a great potted history, now I know that the oldest this boy could be is 14 in the photo. He is my wifes gggrandfathers baby brother born in 1891.
The colouring of the photo is fantastic, thankyou.

Casa thankyou for the link, I only got this photo this afternoon so haven't searched yet...I'm on my way now........
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Re: navy boy, history of ship
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 August 06 00:18 BST (UK) »
casa my friend, searched the link, 10 frank stevens, unfortunately none of them mine!!! anywhere else you can suggest?
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 August 06 09:21 BST (UK) »
Hi (Mr & Mrs) Joebhoy

Could his real name have been Francis and did you try that ???

Did you try searching for STEVENS (and STEPHENS) with keyword/place Bermondsey or London (birthplace - I assume that is the family I have seen on some of your other posts) ???

Do you know exact date of birth - you could try searching on that :-\

I think he looks very much like this chap http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,174995.msg835344.html#msg835344 - what do others think ???

Could it be Mark (or another brother) - he seems to be there ???

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Re: navy boy, history of ship
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 August 06 10:30 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Casalguidi, it is indeed the army boys baby brother, they do look very alike. The baby faced look seems to run in the family until this generation!!! Maybe the milkman intervened at some point???? :o

Joe has not tried different variations on his name, I'll set him to it now...

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