Please, please, Help - Edward MOSS

[boydi]

Hi All,
have done heaps of research but have no idea where my GGGrandfather was born, county.
Arrived Sth Aust 1839, LYSANDER, from Liverpool. Have marriage cert, death cert, photo of grave site, Register of personal notices. Unfortunately no clue to where he came from, apart from Liverpool.
Can anyone suggest what I should do next. He was obviously English, Edward Moss born c1812, but have nothing else.
Am desparate now for someone to give me some help as to what I should do next.
I am open to all suggestions.
Thanks
Ruth

[saddles]

The 1841 SA census shows him as Edmund/Edmond MOSS, arrived
1839 per Lysander (Immigrant), occ boot maker.

Address Gouger Street, Adelaide,
Only the Edmund/Edmond MOSS is recorded.

SA Family site has them as follows:
MOSS Edmund, wife, dau, son arrived 1839-07-06 on Lysander from Liverpool


If you think yhis is him then perhaps your search in the UK should
be for an Edmund/Edmond.

Hope this helps.

Mike.

[boydi]

Hi Saddler,
Thanks for your reply, have searched the Edmond/Edmund Moss re Lysander.

The wife & 2 children are a problem, because he married Rebecca Sarah Bullpit (nee Debney) in 1845 & she became a MOSS. Where did the original Moss family go. Did they divorce back then?.

Have purchased all "Register Personel Notices" hoping I may find something but nothing  except in colony at death Edward Moss  57 yrs,  1869, Gilbert St, in colony 30 years.  It proves he came on the Lysander. Edward Moss marriage cert to Rebecca gives nothing & his death cert shows nothing. Again proves he came on the LYSANDER. There was obviously a first family but not sure how to searcch.

I have Edwad & Sarah marriage cert,  death cert for both, but unfortunately  in SA  it gives no extyra info.
Have searched for his PREVIOUS wife & 2 children,  but a dead end. Have tried to find aa wife of Edward/Edmund dying  but nothing. Family/Search & IGI batch no's search. No luck.

I think, his father was possibly Joseph, only because of naming rights.

Thanks Saddler,
am not sure if I will ever find my relatives.

Thanks HEAPS
Boydi

[twinkleberry]

Hi

I'm in Adelaide and for 10 years I have been doing free reseach for people all over the world who want information about family/ancestors who came to South Australia in the 1800's.  I was in the South Aus. State Library yesterday to have a look for information regarding Edmund/Edward Moss.  The following is the little I managed to find:-


APPLICATION FOR FREE PASSAGE TO SOUTH AUSTRALIA

Edmund Moss, occupation book and shoemaker of Cheltenham, married, aged 29 years, and wife (unnamed) aged 30 years and a son aged approx. 18 months and a daughter aged 3 years.  Edmund applied for the free passage 12th February 1837. Application No. 3980 and Embarkation No. 2462

1841 CENSUS

In 1841, the first census occurred for South Australia.  Edmund/Edward Moss and family resided in Gouger Street, Adelaide during the 1841 Census.

CHILDREN BORN TO EDMUND MOSS & REBECCA DEBNEY IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA

1. Emma born 3rd February 1849 in Adelaide District Adelaide reference book 2 page 120

2. Edward born 1st July 1847 at Adelaide, District Adelaide reference book 2 page 3

3. Frederick born 22nd May 1856 Adelaide, District Adelaide reference book 7 page 252 symbol "E" denoting the Registar has found an error in the above information.

4. Joseph born 21st February 1854 Adelaide, District Adelaide reference ebook 4 page 290

MARRIAGE

Joseph Robert aged 21 years, single, son of Edward Moss married 29th March 1875 to Emma Simpson 17 yers of age, single, daugher of James Clay Simpson at residence of bride's stepfather, Adelaide, District Aeelaide reference book 102 page 951

CHILDREN BORN TO JOSEPH ROBERT MOSS & EMMA SIMPSON.

1. Alfred George born 19th October 1886 Norwood, District Norwood reference book 383 page 483

2. Annie born 25th November 1877 at adelaide, District Adelaide reference book 193 page 147

3. Edith born 26th March 1882 at Norwood, District Adelaide reference book 414 page 92

4. Edward born 3rd April 1876 at Adelaide, District Adelaide reference
book 164 page 40

5. Elizalbeth born 16th December 1883 at Kensington District Norwood reference book 317 page 137

6. Ellen born 1st July 1885 at Norwood, District Norwood reference book 492 page 125

7. Emma bron 1st July 1885 at Norwood, District Norwood reference book 354 page 43

8. Ethel May bron 3rd May 1893 Norwood, District Norwood reference book 520 page 34

9. Mary born 1st April 1880 at Adelaide, District Adelaide reference book 237 page 375

10. William Joseph born 1st Feruary 1852 at Kensington, District Adelaide reference book 275 page 440

DEATHS

1. Edith aged 2 years of Canowie died 23rd November 1883 at Canowie, daughter of Joseph Robert Moss District Clare reference book 132 page 296

2. Emma aged 5 months of Norwood died 12th November 1885 at Norwood, District Norwood. reference book 150 page 162

3. Ethel May aged 9 months of Richmond died 16th February 1894 at Richmond, daughter of Joseph Robert Moss District Adelaide reference bdook 217 page 89 symbol "S" denoting the Registar has included supplementary information on this death record.

4. Joseph aged 4 years of Canowie died 11th Novembr 1883 t Canowie son of Joseph Robert Moss District Clare reference book 132 page 202

I hope the above is of some interest to you.

Regards

"Twinkleberry"

[twinkleberry]

Hi Boydi

I was browsing the boards and saw the request regarding Edward/Edmund Moss in South Australia.

I have already sent almost of the information I found re Edward and his wife Sarah Debney.

I did find the following which may be of some interest to you.

PLACE OF RESIDENCE.

Edward Moss applied for a free passage to South Australia in 1837.

His application included Edward having come from Cheltenham, England.
I confess to having heard of cheltenham, but as to where in England it is I do not know, but that just might be a possible lead to looking for Edward's miss and marriage.

There was also a previous marriage of Rebecca Sarah Dabney, who married Edmond Moss.  The following information may be of some interest:-

BIRTH.

Rebecca Sarah Debney born 8th January 1812 at London, and christened 8th January 1812 at St. Luke, Old Street, Finsbury, London.

Rebecca Sarah died 11th July 1890 in Norwood, South Australia.

Rebecca Sarah Debney married William Bulpitt 18th July 1831 in Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England.

Rebecca Sarah Debney married Edward Moss 15th November 1845 in England.

Rebecca Sarah Debney was the daughter of Robert Debney and Rebecca?

Hope this little information is fo some help.

Regards

"Twinkleberry"

[boydi]

Hello Twinkleberry,
you are wonderful, thankyou so very much. I had requested a lookup from library online re free passage and it came thru 1 hour before you but none of your detail. I was at work and when I checked my emails later that night, what a wonderful surprise. Edward has been a huge brickwall for 2 years & being a novice at searching I suppose you eventually ask the right questions & bingo. The library gave me Cheltenham but you have given me so much more. I do have the marriage to Rebecca & the events from there but it is the mystery of that 1st wife & children. I ordered the SA census cd & it arrived today but unfortunately no additional info. You have given me so much extra to go on, dates etc.
Again, thanks heaps
Ruth

[jorose]

Cheltenham is in Gloucestershire, it is quite a large city with several parishes, unfortunately most is not on the IGI.  I think the two churches around at the time of Edward Moss were St. Mary (the old parish church) and Holy Trinity.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/gfhs/search.htm - you could get the GFHS to look up Edward/Edmund in the Gloucestershire Marriage Index for you.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Cheltenham/ - see also GENUKI's Cheltenham page.

[Sandfire]

Are you still looking for Edward/Edmund Moss?   I have an Edmund Moss who married Hannah Lepper in 1829 in Prestbury, Gloucestershire.   They applied for free passage and arrived in Adelaide on the Lysander in 1839 with their 2 children, Emilia Ann born 1835, and a male child (name not known) born 1837.

Edmund and Hannah eventually ended up in Melbourne where they had 4 more children; Edward Arthur born 1843, Mary Jane born 1847, Elizabeth Sophia born 1848, William Thomas born and died 1850.   Edward Arthur Moss was 2x ggrandfather of my husband.

Your reference to Rebecca Sarah Debney is a complete mystery to me so I'm wondering if we are looking for the same Edmond Moss.