1841 and 51 lookup - PAVEY

[Hollylianne]

Hello,
Could someone please lookup  Marianne Pavey b.1838 in East Stonehouse please.  Her mother should be an Elizabeth.

Thanks
Hollie Brock

[MaryA]

1841
Union Street, East Stonehouse, Devon
Million Paey 30 Boot Maker Y
Elizabeth 30 Y
Elizabeth 11 Y
Million 9 Y
Frederick 7 Y
Jemima 6 Y
John 4 Y
Marianne 3 Y
Isabella 1 Y
HO107/276/6 21/37

I expect they are both meant to be William but it certainly reads Million 

[MaryA]

1851
18 Clarendon Place, Plymouth St Andrew, Devon
William Henry Pavey Head M 44 Lodging House Keeper Devon Stoke Dameral
Elizabeth Wife M 43 Devon Plymouth
William Henry Son Un 19 Devon E. Stonehouse
Frederick A " " 18 " "
Jemima Anne dau " 16 Assistant at home " "
John E Son " 14                                         " "
Marian daur " 12 Scholar " "
Isabella daur 10 " " "
Charles Son 8 " " "
Mary daur 6 " " "
Julia " 4 " " "
Fanny " 2 " " "
HO107/1879; Folio: 314; Page: 18

[Hollylianne]

Is there any chance you could trace them in 61 please?

Thank you so much MaryA, its much appreciated.

Hollie

[MaryA]

I'm not sure about this - you haven't given Marianne's marriage date so we don't know whether she is still single or not?  Three members of this family match exactly for date, obviously the youngest would have been born since the last census, and it makes me think it's them all having moved to London, in the absence of finding any other family, but the change in occupation seems a little strange .....

16 Queens ?? Kentish Town, St Pancras, London
William H Pavey Head Mar 54 Cabinet Maker Devon Plymouth
Charles Son Unm 18 Joiner in Wood               " "
Fanny F daur 12 Scholar                               " "
Harry R? Son 8        "                                    " "
RG9/ 122; Folio: 40; Page: 11

6 Raneleigh Road, St Mary Paddington, Middlesex
Frederick Pavey Head M 27 Carpenter Devon Plymouth
Eliza Wife M 26 Middlesex Islington
Alice daur 1 Middlesex Bayswater
RG9/ 6; Folio: 51; Page: 45

21 St Paul's Street, Cheltenham, Gloucester
Jemima Constable Lodger Unm 39 Tailoress Blumsdon Wilts
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William H Pavey Lodger Unm 27 Tailor's Foreman Plymouth Devon
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Thomas Fitzgerald Lodger Wid 42 Tailor Bath Somerset
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Charles Joy Head M 36 Wollen Draper's Assistant Schlade Gloucester
Sarah Wife 40 Cheltenham
Albert Son 5 Scholar "
Florence daur 3 " "
RG9/1799; Folio: 22; Page: 37

I can also find this Charles and Harry, both separately living in London in the 1871 census but would like confirmation from you that this might be the right family before going into more detail.  What happened to Marianne? when did she marry and to who?

Could this be your Marianne??
Marianne/Maryanne Pavey married December qtr 1858 Pancras 1b 53 to either William Francis, Reuben William Harper or Reuben Turner.

I would seriously consider that this family moved from Devon to London, there are too many of them floating about there for it not to be them.  Can't say where Elizabeth is though?

I have to go out now, if I get time when I come back later I'll take another look to see if I can find Marianne with one of those surnames, she should stand out from the crowd if she stayed in Pancras born in Devon, meantime I'd appreciate some confirmation whether you think these are yours and also if you know for sure what her married name is.

[Hollylianne]

Hello MaryA,

I'm sorry for the vagueness.  Marianne married Reuben Harper in Pancras i believe on 26.10.1858.  I have a copy of the 71 census for Marianne, however didn't know much about the others.  I've just done some digging and found many of Marianne's brothers and sisters on the 81 census all in london, so it would be nice to find them on the 71 to fill in the gaps.  I don't understand the change of occupation either.

This is what i have about Marianne's siblings:

William Henry married Elizabeth Spill in 1862
Frederick married Eliza Hatt - 1859
Jemima possibly married Clement Hester  in QJun 1871
Isabella married in 1864 (not sure which man though)
Charles married Ester Ayres in 1866
Mary married David Chaplin in 1864
Julia married Henry Chantler in 1867
Fanny may have married Thomas Chantler in QDec 1871

They all married in London, so it looks like your search for them before was correct.  Thanks so much.

Anything you could find would be lovely.  Thanks again.

Hollie Brock

[MaryA]

To fill in - 1861
2 William Street, Kentish Town
William Larkin, Railway Clerk and his wife Susan and children William and Rose
Isabella Pavey Boarder Un 20 No occupation Devon Plymouth
RG9/122; Folio: 18; Page: 33

Don't know how I missed Elizabeth last time so again 1861 - she must have been visiting to help with the birth
3 Albert Terr, Kentish Town, Pancras
Annie Fidler Wife Mar 37 Herts Codicote
Frank J Son Unm 13 Coal Merchant Cl. Middx London
Emma M daur 11 Scholar " "
George Son 7 Scholar " "
Ellen M daur 4 Surrey Annerley
Reuben W Harper Head M 27 Railway Cl Middlesex Camden Town
Mariane Wife M 22 Devon Stonehouse
Arthur J Son 1 Middlesex Kentish Town
Not Named Son undeer 1 month  " "
Elizabeth Pavey Mother Mar 53 Devon Plymouth
RG9/123; Folio: 90; Page: 18

[MaryA]

1871
65 Prince of Wales Road, Kentish Town, St Pancras
Harry Pavey Head M 20 Blind Maker Devon Plymouth
Amelia E Wife M 21 Middx St Pancras
Henry A E Son 1 month  " "
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William H Head M 64 Blind Maker Devon Plymouth
Elizabeth wife M 63                         " "
Fanny daur Unm 22 Dressmaker " "
Isabella Richardson daur Widow 30 Dressmaker " "
Emily Richardson Granddau 5 Scholar Middx Pancras
RG10/ 240; Folio: 13; Page: 20

2 Needington Road, Kentish Town, St Pancras
Reuben  W Harper Head M 37 Railway Clerk Middlesex Camden Town
Mariane Wife M 32 Devon Stonehouse
Arthur Son Unm 11 Scholar Middx Kentish Town
Sydney H Son 8          " " "
Minnie M daur 6           " " "
RG10/240; Folio: 24; Page: 42

49 Pembroke Road, Willesden
Elizabeth Pavey Wife M 32 Durham Barnard Castle
Alfred Son 2 Middlesex Paddington
Alice dau 1 " Willesden
RG10/1328; Folio: 60; Page: 27

1861 5 Queens Road, St John, St Marylebone, Middlesex
Stephen (retired farmer) and Mary Wright, with visitors surnamed Brown, Mary Haydon as a boarder, Mary Ryale as a cook
Jemima Pavey Servant Unm 26 Housemaid Devon Plymouth
RG9/ 89; Folio: 47; Page: 20

No sign of Jemima in 1871.

6 Anglers Lane, Kentish Town, St Pancras
Charles A Pavey Head M 28 Wood Turner emp. 1 man Devonshire Plymouth
Esther Wife M 29 Housewife London
George Rogers Boarder Unm 26 Evangelist London Paddington
RG10/238; Folio: 37; Page: 6

Westgate, St Bartholomew, Sussex
Henry Chantler Head M 23 Pianoforte Tuner Kent Gravesend
Julia Wife M 24 Devon Plymouth
Lillian Julia daur 1 Sussex Chichester
RG10/ 1117; Folio: 15; Page: 21

No sign of Mary