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Offline BlackPearl

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Marriage Records Lookup Please
« on: Friday 25 August 06 10:45 BST (UK) »
Is anyone going to the records office that will contain the marriage records from the district of Tynemouth?

If they are, could you please have a look for a marriage between William Leach and Mary Dickinson that was registered in the March quarter of 1919 in Tynemouth.  I applied for the cert for this with both the groom's and bride's fathers names included but it came back that the bride's father wasn't as stated so the cert wasn't produced.  I am now feeling slightly miffed lol because this cert was for my great-grandparents and I knew both of them before they died, I am just having trouble confirming the correct parents and grandparents  for them on the cenuses!  William's father was Walter Leach and from what Mary's birth cert says her father was William Dickinson, but the GRO says that William is not her father on marriage cert!

Please someone take a look if you can and put me out of my misery as to who her father is before I make a decision on whether or not to reaply for the same cert anyway.

Thanks
Joanne  ;)
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Re: Marriage Records Lookup Please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 August 06 00:45 BST (UK) »
Joanne,

Do you mean the records of the civil registration of marriages?

If you do,  the records of marriages that were originally registered with Tynemouth District Registration Office were, when Tynemouth Office closed, divided out to these modern Registration Districts, .... Northumberland Central (office in Morpeth), North Tyneside ( at North Shields) and Newcastle
( at Newcastle).

But the registers holding the details of all the marriages are NOT accessible.

At a Register Office, as you have already tried, you can buy a certificate, which is a certified copy of the original register.

But you certainly cannot search for anything as access to the registers is not allowed.

I would love to be able to stick my nose into the registers. I am thinking of all the £7s I would have saved. If you want info from the register, you have to buy a copy. Like in your case, they told you want the name WASN'T, but did not tell you what it WAS, although it was under their nose !

And in fact you were lucky, in that the RO did not take your money, because one of your specifications ( name of bride's father) was not fulfilled. Once the attitude of some ROs was to give you no clues, and leave it up to you whether you wanted to buy or not, without allowing any specifications, other than the names of the couple.

Maybe things are different in Gloucestershire ?

The marriage of William/Mary will be recorded in a church register somewhere, unlress they married in the Register Office !

When/where was William Leach born ?

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 August 06 16:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Michael.

I feel like a right dipstick now cos a lookup in the church register is what I actually meant but didn't ask for! lol!

I have contacted them to ask for more info, like they say you can do, but all they could say was what the letter said.  That the bride's father was incorrect.  What they did say however is that if there was anything else (for example the grooms father) that was incorrect then the letter would have said so.  So it looks like it did show Walter Leach as William Leach's father just not William Dickinson as Mary Dickinson's father.

William Leach was born 1894 in Gloucestershire, and from what I have been told the reason he was able to meet someone from up north, fall in love and marry them was because he was stationed up there in the war.  Now I can only take it that they meant WW1 going by both William's and Mary's birth years.  No one seems to know what regiment he would have been in.

Joanne  :)
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 August 06 20:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Joanne

Maybe the 1901 Census could help.  Was Mary born then ?  If so, give us the full details from Mary's Birth Certificate and we can take a look.

There is a William Leach in Gloucestershire with a father Walter if you'd like the details.

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 August 06 20:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Helen

Well, the 1901 has Walter aged 38 his wife Eliza aged 32 and children: James Walter aged 10, Daniel aged 8, William aged 6, Doris aged 4 and Olive May aged 7 Months at St. Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire.  It also has William Dickinson aged 37, his wife Margaret aged 36 and children: Sarah J. aged 16, Ada age 4 and Mary aged 8 months.  All born Heworth.

I am hoping to narrow down which is the correct William Dickinson and Margaret on the 1881 census and before as so far this is proving difficult.  I though maybe that marriage certificate could have helped in some way.

Joanne  :D

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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 04 November 06 11:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Guys

I have now reaplied for this marriage certificate without the bride and groom's fathers names as I was sure this was the correct marriage.

It arrived this morning and said the following:

7 April 1919 in St. Mary's Church, Blyth, county of Northumberland
Groom - William Leach 23 Bachelor Lance Corporal Gloucester Regiment, 12 B* Street, Blyth, father Walter Leach a General Labourer
Bride - Mary Dickinson 19 Spinster 12 B* Street, Blyth, father Henry Dickinson a C* Manager(?).
Married after banns, both signed their names and the witnesses were James Dickinson and Hilda B* who both signed their names too.

The fact that it gives William's rank and regiment confirms this to be the correct marriage as I have been told that the reason he was able to meet and marry someone from so far away (he was from near Gloucester, and I am in Gloucestershire myself) is that he was stationed up north in the Army in WW1.  Also I already know his father to be Walter Leach a General Labourer.

Now I just need to work out how Mary's father became Henry instead of William!!!  On her birth certificate he is William Dickinson, in 1901 she is with her family, father shown as William Dickinson, yet in 1919 on their marriage he is Henry Dickinson.

Any ideas?

Joanne  ???
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 04 November 06 12:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Joanne

I'm just wondering what information you had to get and be certain of Mary's birth certificate ?

I have always obtained the Marriage Certificate (confirming fathers' names) before chasing the birth.

If you didn't have that birth certificate you would be looking for Mary DICKINSON born about 1899/1900 with a father called Henry.

There is a family in Bedlington, Northumberland in 1901 - father Henry, daughter Mary 11m and with a son James (? marriage witness).


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Helen K



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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 04 November 06 13:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Helen

Well I was 6 when Great Nanny Mary (Mary Dickinson) died 10 August 1984 and when I searched for the details of her death cert which I haven't obtained, it gave her birthdate as 17 April 1900.  I had always known that she was from somewhere up north which when I was told surprised me as I thought how the heck did Great Grampy Will (William Leach) meet her?  This I told you about to do with the Army.  Incidently, when her birth cert arrived it gave her date of birth as 24 April 1900.  I queired this with my Nan, and she said that 17th was when her birthday had been celebrated, I protested that the birth cert was right and they had been celebrating Great Nanny Mary's birthday a week early all her life but she wouldn't listen lol! (My Nan is stubborn as hell, but she is the only grandparent I have left and I still love her, she was married to William and Mary's son Raymond)
Anyway, I have searched the 1901 census for Mary Dickinson b. 1899-1901 to cover all bases and the only one that came anywhere near being the right age was the one listed with William Dickinson as above and this also showed Margaret as the mother, like the birth cert had mother as Margaret Dickinson formerly Watson.  I am figuring there has to be some other explanation for the change in father.  Perhaps William died soon after the 1901 census when Mary was still very young and Henry - perhaps a brother - stepped in to his shoes and he could have been the only father she had known and when she married he was automatically put as father and no-one thought to question it?

Joanne  ???
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 04 November 06 13:15 GMT (UK) »
Helen!!!

Now I feel like I wanna cry!!!  I have just searched the 1901 census again to prove myself right - and I think I have proved myself wrong!

I have found a Mary Dickinson aged 11 months with father Henry Dickinson and mother Margaret, also brothers John, James (he could be the witness to the marriage) and Thomas.  I feel like a complete twit and probably look like one too!  The birth cert I have for My Great Nanny Mary looks likely now to be the wrong one and I have been in possesion of this since July 2002!  >:(

What do you think?

Joanne (Twit in Gloucestershire)  :'(
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