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Thetfords
« on: Wednesday 13 September 06 13:39 BST (UK) »

   I'm trying to find any relatives of William Thetford of Manchester, England b.1801 in Ireland. William had a son called Henry Thetford also born in Ireland in 1821 so I can only guess that William left Ireland after the year 1821 to move to Manchester.

   William also had a couple of daughters. One called Jane, who was married to a man called Adam Craig and one called Jessey who was born in Dublin in 1819. Jessey lived in Manchester and was known in 1881 as Jessey Todd.

   Information on any Thetford from Ireland will be delightfully recieved. Thank you,
      Josh.

   

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Re: Thetfords
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 December 07 12:45 GMT (UK) »
Hello Josh,
What denomination were your Thetford ancestors ???

It may be difficult to find information as compulsory civil registration of non-Roman Catholic marriages did not begin in Ireland until April 1st, 1845. The registration of
births, deaths and all marriages commenced on January 1st, 1864.

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Re: Thetfords
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 August 24 05:54 BST (UK) »
Greetings Josh, not sure if you still have interest in Ireland Thetford’s. I too am seeking the Ireland Thetford’s. I am looking for a Henry Thetford who was born abt 1793 in Clones, Monaghan, Ireland. He served as part of the 85th Regiment. He married Mary Brown 3 Mar 1817 in Liverpool, Lancashire.

I have been seeing mention of a Henry Thetford who married Bridget Flinn 8 Aug 1831 in Manchester. The tree he is associated indicates he was born abt 1793 in Ireland. According to the tree he went to Australia.

I can see the evidences of Bridget in Australia. I am curious where the knowledge of that particular Henry who married Bridget having come from Ireland came from. I have searched and so far have found no evidence of Ireland. Do you know the source of the Henry Thetford coming from Ireland? Any insight into this is appreciated.

As best as I can figure Henry Thetford as stated in the newspapers:  they call him a Pensioner. It would seem he did service with the British Army - at least that is what I am gleaming from the mentions in the newspapers during June 1833.

I have many suspicions about the origins of Henry Thetford. I have suspicions of what became of Mary Brown. I have suspicions he may have remarried to Bridget. Many suspicions, but in order to start wrapping things together, I need to know where the detail that Henry Thetford who married Bridget came from Ireland. So many suspicions, I am hoping you know a bit more of Henry Thetford who came to Australia.

If my suspicions prove true, somehow by some means my own ancestor may have come from this family as either a brother or cousin to Henry Thetford.

I am very curious to see where this all ends up.

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Re: Thetfords
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 August 24 08:29 BST (UK) »
Hi

Have you seen the 1859 marriage (in Dublin) of Eliza Jane Thetford, whose address is given as Clones.  Her father was named Joseph Thetford.  See the record at:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1859/09569/5469801.pdf.

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Re: Thetfords
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 August 24 08:36 BST (UK) »
Also, there is the 1821 marriage of Joseph Thetford, Clones to Arabella Stevens, Clones.  See:

https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/churches/clones-mar13.htm


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Re: Thetfords
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 August 24 08:45 BST (UK) »
Also William baptised 1847, son of Joseph and Ellen.  See:

https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/churches/clones-bap-1846-50.htm

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Re: Thetfords
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 August 24 02:20 BST (UK) »
Thank you for these. I feel these are the same family, question is just what level of relation. Cousin or Distant Cousin. Hard to say really.

I hinted on to many things in the last message and was not able to give the thoughts I wished to share full justice as I was short on time.

Let me explain a little bit about my descent from the Thetford name in a few messages along with my theory. For me it all seems shrouded in mystery. The first ancestor of mine that bears the name Thetford is Maria Thetford.

Maria Thetford was born 25 Nov 1829 Northampton, Northamptonshire. She was admitted to the Northampton General Hospital at the age of 3 on 31 May 1833 for having an Abscess on the hand. She was baptized 25 Jun 1837 in All Saints Church, Northampton. In the 1841 and 1851 census she resided on Mount Pleasant Place with her parents. Later that year on 17 Apr 1851 the Parish Church of All Saints, Northampton - she was married to David Adams. In Nov 1856 she departed with her husband and their children from Liverpool aboard the packet ship Columbia. In Jan 1857 they arrived in Castle Garden, New York. The family traveled to Utah where they took up residence in Alpine. On 22 Dec 1916 in American Fork, Maria died.

Maria Thetford is the daughter of Charles Thetford and Frances 'Fannie' Mason.

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Re: Thetfords
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 August 24 03:27 BST (UK) »
Charles Thetford according to family knowledge, was born 17 Apr 1796 in Cripplegate. He was married to Fanny Barwell born as Mason on 1 Dec 1828 in All Saints Church, Northampton. On Aug 1830 poll, Charles Thetford a bootcloser resided on Tanner Street. On May 1831 poll he was a shoemaker on Gregory Street. In Feb 1832 Charles Thetford appears in the Northampton Mercury Newspaper and is said to be residing on Gregory Street. Dec 1832 Poll he is recorded as a Shoemaker on Quartpot Lane. Oct 1833 Poll he lived on Quartpot lane. 24 Jan 1834 he was admitted into Northampton General Hospital. Oct 1834 Poll he resided at Mount Pleasant place. Every census and poll since this time he resided on Mount Pleasant Place. He died 22 Jul 1874 in Northampton.

I have searched high and low for records pertaining to Charles Thetford. Many years ago I came across an extremely important record in the Children's Workhouse of Cripplegate. The entry states: "Thetford Chas 9y 3m - By Whom Sent: Committee, order of removal From St Dunstans Stepney 11 August 1808 - How Belonging: The Fathers Settlement" As another note in the record it says: "Discharged 12 August 1808 by being Taken out by his Mother".

Based upon this record I am brought to certain conclusions. Charles would had to have been born in 1799. Due to this record I have taken family knowledge and combined it with the knowledge from this Workhouse record. Charles Thetford would have been born 17 Apr 1799 in Cripplegate. *Not entirely sure if he was born Cripplegate.

Some Thetford's I have found who resided in Cripplegate were:
- Thomas and Jane. They had 2 daughters born in Cripplegate Elizabeth born 20 May 1786 and Jane born 24 Dec 1787. Thomas Thetford is the son of John Thetford and Susannah Richards. The Thetford name itself has been in Cripplegate since the late 1600's. One of the first Thetford's from there was Marmaduke 'Duke' Thetford born in 1686 the father of John Thetford.
- Mary Thetford who married James Killfoyl 13 Mar 1804. She was born about 1785 and was buried 1 Dec 1833 in St Pancras, Middlesex

Having never found mention of Charles Thetford in the Cripplegate records beyond the workbook entry, I searched for those who would have been non conformist that may have explained why the absence of a baptism record occurred. I was also looking for a couple where the mother was still living, but the father died around the same time that Charles Thetford would have been admitted into the workhouse (something that might explain why it was the mother that took him out of the workhouse. No mention of her name was in the record (really wish there was, it would help a ton...). There was one particular couple that caught my eye by the name of Thomas Thetford and Elizabeth Wells who were married 14 Apr 1782 in Westminster. Thomas Thetford was born about 1756 and was buried 5 Mar 1807. This was one year prior to when Charles would have been admitted to the children's workhouse. Elizabeth Thetford was buried 25 May 1809. Less than a year after Charles Thetford would have been released from the children's workhouse.

I wish I could find more records pertaining to the children's workhouse that would either show the mothers name or make mention of some additional detail that could help. There is mention of an order of removal from St Dunstans Stepney. There is also mention of the Father's Settlement, any one of these I feel could have additional insight to help find the family (not entirely sure though, not holding my breath). He was bootcloser later in life, I would imagine their would be some form of apprenticeship somewhere, but have not found anything. So is what I have regarding Charles Thetford.

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Re: Thetfords
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 August 24 03:55 BST (UK) »
Hi

So why do you think there may be a connection to the Clones Thetfords?