Richard Cragg marriage .before 1837.

[juneg27]

Hi, please could someone help me find a marriage for a Richard Cragg married to Jane? in Bolney.
Richard was born in Rudgwick about 1771 time so we are looking for a marriage around 1791 or a couple of years earlier than that. he was a farmer in Bolney on the 1841 census. at Brooklands Manor.
regards, JUNE.

[sillgen]

Unfortunately there is no marriage of a Richard Cragg to a Jane on the Sussex Marriage Index which covers pre 1837 marriages.    Nor one to anyone in the right area.  There are two in Horsham in 1790 and 1794 but they are to Sarah Killick and Ann Hersey.
Sorry about that.  Are you sure they married in Sussex?
Andrea

[juneg27]

As far as I know they did marry in Sussex. as Richard Cragg was a Farmer in Bolney. on the 1851 census it says he was born in Rudgewick. on the 1841 his wife is alive then and says a Y that they were both born in Bolney. so yes I really do think they were married in and around Bolney area.
regards, JUNE.

[Stovepipe]

on the 1841 his wife is alive then and says a Y that they were both born in Bolney.

Forgive me, but this isn't strong evidence that they married in Bolney.  The "Y" means that the wife was born in the county, not necessarily in Bolney.

Typically, but not always, a couple married in the home parish of the bride.  Say she's from a part of the county near to its border with another county - perhaps her family attended church in the neighboring county.

In my tree there is a couple born in the Mayfield / Heathfield area - in every census they reside in that area.  Yet they married in Tonbridge, Kent, and despite much searching I've never found them to have had any connection to the place.

Stovepipe

[juneg27]

Will have a look on my Hampshire parish records to see if there are any Cragg people on there, maybe they could have been in Hampshire before they came across to Sussxe County.

[sillgen]

Where were their children born and baptised?   There might be a clue there.   Did Richard leave a will?    That might mention other relatives and give addresses.
Oh, I have just looked at the 1841 census.  Throwing a complete spanner in the works here but you do realise that relationships are not given in 1841, nor is marital status, therefore there is no proof that the Jane mentioned is his wife?   I say that as it actually has M S as her occupation - most unusual if it is a wife.  Could she be a sister??  What could M S stand for?   Maid Servant?    I don't know, but it is interesting.  Of course you may be able to disprove this theory instantly by saying that all the children are baptised as children of Richard and Jane.    I assume you have got Jane's death certificate which states she is his wife.  If that is the case can you quote the references for baptisms etc as that will help us a great deal.
Andrea

[Jane Masri]

Hi June,
I can tell you that Richard was not baptised Rudgwick as I've checked the pr's.  In fact there is no one by the name CRAGG on the index.
I'm in agreement with Andrea about the 1841 census.  I don't know what 'MS' stands for but I don't think it's servant as a little lower on the page there is a young girl who is & it's written in the standard format, 'F S' Female Servant.  The other females on the page who are obviously wives have a blank in the occupations column which causes me to think this Jane Cragg is not his wife, maybe as Andrea suggests she's an unmarried sister or a widowed sister-in-law as they are of about the same age.  FreeBMD gives a death of a Jane CRAGG dec. Q 1850, Cuckfield (Bolney comes under this reg. district) but no age at death 
From the 1851 census we have Richard with a dob of about 1769.  There is a Richard CRAGG baptised Horsham 1/3/1768 s/o John & Jane, a likely candidate!
The 1851 also gives us a clue with the grandson  he's living with, William Walder. This tells us that a daughter of his married a Walder;

 Bolney, West Sussex,    6 Nov 1826:
Mary CRAGG
James WALDER, botp (B)
Witnesses: Jn C.; Keziah C.

The witnesses would be John CRAGG & Keziah CRAGG.

I found an LDS extracted entry for the baptism of Mary Ann CRAGG 9/3/1796 d/o Richard & Ann, Bolney. This would be one of the marriages mentioned by Andrea;

 Horsham, West Sussex,  18 Feb 1794:
 Richard CRAGG
 Ann HERSEY, botp (B)

I think we must rule them out as I found Richard & Ann in Warnham in 1841 & he's a wheelwright, so that leaves Richard & Sarah.


Horsham, West Sussex,   20 Apr 1790:
 Richard CRAGG
 Sarah KILLICK, botp (lic)

Children:

Richard 6/8/1791 Horsham
William 2/6/1793 Horsham
Sarah 7/7/1799 Horsham.
 


I have looked through the Horsham pr's for Jane Cragg but no luck.  Mind you, many of the pages are badly faded so she could be there    Also checked the marriage index for any CRAGG male marriage to a Jane, again no luck.  So a bit of a mystery as to who she might be.
It looks as if Richard started off in Horsham but then went to Bolney where I would think his children were born.

Hope that's not confused,

jane
 


 

[juneg27]

Jane and Andrea, getting a bit confused with this one, so will have to sit down and go through all what you have said in your replies to me and see if I can work something out.
many thanks to you both for the information.
JUNE.

[Jane Masri]

Hi June,
Yes, it is getting confusing.  To help you better perhaps you can tell us how you've arrived at this Richard Cragg at Brooklands Manor in 1841?
We do know that he had a daughter, Mary, who married James Walder in 1826.
From the 1841 she gives her age as 25 which means she was born between 1812-1816.  By the 1851 she appears to have died as James has remarried someone by the name of Ann which might be the reason why their son, William is with his grandfather, Richard Cragg in 1841 & 1851.
As for Jane Cragg & the mysterious 'MS' in the occupations column, I can only find Male Servant for this abbreviation which is obviously not right

jane