Re: Cheshire Parish Records Marriages only pre 1837 Roberts / Williams

[frenchdressing]

Hello.
I'm trying to find the marriage between George Roberts born circa 1818 and Martha (maiden name possibly Williams) born circa 1818. They are on the 1841 census living in Eastham with their daughter Ellen, born circa 1840.
Thanks a lot.
Pat

[peterbennett]

Hello.
I'm trying to find the marriage between George Roberts born circa 1818 and Martha (maiden name possibly Williams) born circa 1818. They are on the 1841 census living in Eastham with their daughter Ellen, born circa 1840.
Thanks a lot.
Pat

Hi Pat

        There is nothing showing up in the Cheshire indexes, but a favourite place for Wirral folk to wed was Liverpool, there is a marriage dated 10/Aug/1840 at St Nicholas, but the brides name is down as Roberts also, how sure are you of the name Williams.

peterbennett

[frenchdressing]

Hi Peter,
The name of Williams came to mind as on the 1851 census, Ellen Roberts aged 11 is living with her grandparents Samuel and Martha Williams in Bromborough. As Martha's place of birth on later censuses is Bromborough it occured to me that it might be her and when I looked at neighbours on the 1841 census George and Martha were living next to them. So, I concluded that Martha was Samuels daughter.
Would Samuels marriage to Martha be on your records? On the 1851 census he's listed as being aged 67, occupation, farmer in Bromborough.

[peterbennett]

Hi Peter,
The name of Williams came to mind as on the 1851 census, Ellen Roberts aged 11 is living with her grandparents Samuel and Martha Williams in Bromborough. As Martha's place of birth on later censuses is Bromborough it occured to me that it might be her and when I looked at neighbours on the 1841 census George and Martha were living next to them. So, I concluded that Martha was Samuels daughter.
Would Samuels marriage to Martha be on your records? On the 1851 census he's listed as being aged 67, occupation, farmer in Bromborough.

There is a baptism of a Martha Williams dated 26/Nov/1818 at Bromborough, father Samuel a farmer, mother Martha. This record can be found in the http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/ website.
Also there is a baptism for the daughter Ellen Roberts 22/March/1840 father George a shoemaker, mother Martha.

Cannot find a marriage for Samuel and Martha William s anywhere.

It may be worth obtaining a birth certificate for Ellen this will give you her mothers maiden name, should make finding a marriage easier.

peterbennett

[frenchdressing]

Thanks a lot Peter.
 George Roberts was a shoe maker so that must be my Ellen. I have already ordered 3 certs. for Joseph Roberts (with ref. from ancestry), my gt grandfather but haven't got the right Joseph as the parents weren't George and Martha.
The following may seem a stupid question but I only found out a couple of weeks ago that my gt grandfather came from Cheshire, I had no idea and I know very little about Cheshire. As I live abroad I can only order certificates if I can pay by credit card. I suppose I will find Ellen on Ancestry now I know the date but Martha will be at the cheshire records office I suppose. Do you know if I can order a cert. from them and pay by c. card?


Sorry to be a nuisance and thanks again for your help.
Pat

[peterbennett]

Thanks a lot Peter.
 George Roberts was a shoe maker so that must be my Ellen. I have already ordered 3 certs. for Joseph Roberts (with ref. from ancestry), my gt grandfather but haven't got the right Joseph as the parents weren't George and Martha.
The following may seem a stupid question but I only found out a couple of weeks ago that my gt grandfather came from Cheshire, I had no idea and I know very little about Cheshire. As I live abroad I can only order certificates if I can pay by credit card. I suppose I will find Ellen on Ancestry now I know the date but Martha will be at the cheshire records office I suppose. Do you know if I can order a cert. from them and pay by c. card?


Sorry to be a nuisance and thanks again for your help.
Pat

Hi Pat

         Because Martha was born before 1837 there will not be a birth certificate, only an entry in the parish registers, this will not give any more info than you already have. The mothers maiden names were not usually listed.

        If you are searching for certificates in Cheshire I would advise you use the http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ with this site once you have found your B/M/D you can print of an application sheet (they also take credit card payments) and pin a note to the certificate stating you only require it if the entry matches the known parents names, it is quite aceptable to do this. Saves a lot of wrong certificates.

      I have searched the parish records site and found a birth for an (H)Ellen Williams 17/10/1805 F. Samuel M. Martha. this looks to be their first child, so a marriage should be before or close to that date, if indeed they did marry.

Good Luck (don't forget Liverpool when your searching)

peterbennett

[frenchdressing]

Peter, you're great!
I'll certainly try ordering certs. from the Cheshire records office. Maybe they'll be easier to read than some of the ones from Southport.
I'm really surprised at the number of people who either had children before marriage, didn't get married or didn't bother to register the births of their children. You've given me ideas on how to look for some of my ancestors who are proving really hard to find.
I only discovered this site by pure chance but I'm really thrilled as the people on it have enabled me to open some closed doors.
Thanks again,
Pat

[juju9999uk]

Hi Pat,

Not sure if this is your tree or not.

I found 2 marriages for George Roberts and think they may be the same person.

The first:
Chester St John 10/6/1839
George Roberts WR Occ. Plasterer 30 Charles Street
Margaret Evans SP                         33
GFN Henry
BFN Thomas Occ. Labourer

Couldn't see any children for them.

Buriel Record:
Margaret Roberts 6/3/1849 Chester St John 45yrs Charles Street

The second:
Chester St John 25/8/1849
George Roberts WR Occ. Joiner 40
Martha Bennett SP                       30
GFN Henry Occ. Joiner
BFN John Occ. Collier

In between these marriages I found Baptism records for the following children all at Bromborough. All have the parents George and Martha Roberts.

22/3/1840 Ellen Roberts (F) Occ. shoemaker
27/3/1842 Margaret Roberts (F) Occ. stonemason
29/11/1846 John Roberts (F) Occ. shoemaker
22/10/1848 Hannah Roberts (F) Occ. shoemaker
15/10/1850 Martha Roberts (F) Occ. labourer

Although you could confirm with census perhaps.

I hope this has been of some help.

Happy Hunting
Regards
Juju

[Su]

There is a marriage on LancashireBMD of a George Roberts and Martha Williams in 1840 at St. Phillips, Liverpool.
Certificate No. Liverpool 2123LP/2/445.

The one Peter mentioned is between George Roberts and Martha Roberts again Liverpool.  Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne 1840.  Certificate no. Liverpool 2053LP/5/343.

Hope this helps
Kind regards
Sue