1871 lookup please MITCHELL/MICHELL

[tazzie]

   Hi again....

    trying to track down a James Mitchell b@1858.

    On 1901 he is 44 b Hockcliffe Beds
    on 1891 he is 32 b Hockcliffe
    on 1881 he is 23 b Eggington
    on 1861 he is a boarder with Ann Michell...different spelling
                              with 2 other Michells...Edwin age 10
                                                                 Elizabeth age 11
                                both born Battlesden.

   Trying to find if he is son of Ann & John Mitchell
                                or George & Elizabeth Mitchell.


                      Thanks

                     Tazzie

[johnP-bedford]

Tazzie,  I have a theory on this & I thought it this morning .....

The James Michell of 1861 becomes James Garner on 1871 (born 1858 Hockliffe)

.... because Ann Mitchell marries William Garner in Sept qtr 1866 at Leighton Buzzard vol 3b page 653

& Ann, Edwin & Elizabeth were boarders with William Garner in 1861

... & quite possibly from 1871 Elizabeth Michell is now Mrs Bottems, married to Henry Battems with daughter Minney.  Entry on IGI confirms this ... on 28 NOV 1870 at Eggington, Bedford to Henry Battems; her father John Mitchell, his father George Battems.
 

1871 living at Eggington, Beds

RG10/1560  Folio 81  Page 14

William Garner, head, age 54, born Battlesden ; Ag Lab
Elizabeth Garner, wife, age 52, born Grimpton Oxon
James Garner, son, age 13, born Hockliffe ; Ag Lab
Henry Battoms, son in law, age 22, born Hockliffe ; Ag Lab
Elizabeth Battoms, daughter in law, age 22, born Battlesden
Minney Battoms, daughter, age 2, born Hockliffe


Regards John

time for a drink - cheers - I do take wine vouchers 

[tazzie]

  Hi John....

  This is proving a real test isn't it ...all these marriages and now Battams family.....Battams & Rolls are all amongst names I know locally...

   Yep Ann Mitchell married William Garner L/B. 1866 Q3

  Should have seen that one coming thats number 3 of that happening now.

   Going to go for James marriage in Eggington 1875 to Mary Ann Briggs..I think the fiche is in L.B library.


     Cheers John for all the help today...I know I need one now...
      Have a drink on me

                            Tazzie

[Benzol]

Hello Tazzie,

Just browsing Rootschat and happened upon this enquiry. I became interested when William Garner of Eggington born Battlesden appeared. I believe William Garner is the step-brother of my Greatx2 Grandmother Ann Bottoms. Ann was the daughter of John Garner of Battlesden and Frances Fox of Ampthill. When Frances died in 1804 John Garner remarried. He and his second wife Martha, nee Rolfe bapt 12.7.1778 in Flitton/Silsoe, had at least 6 children the youngest of whom was William bapt. 9.11.1817 in Battlesden. This is the William identified by johnP-bedford.

I wondered whether the Battems/Bottems, mentioned by johnP, were in fact Bottoms. There appears to be a number of Bottom(s) family members all over Bedfordshire.

Does any of this mean anything to you? Do you have any more information on the Garner and/or Bottoms/Battems/Bottems people?

Cheers Benzol

[tazzie]

  Hi Benzol......


 I'd forgotton this little lot . Had a real job sorting them out. Replying only briefley now as off out for the day..........fingers crossed on weather. I will dig out my notes on them and see what else I can tell you .

 Back later
                         Tazzie

[Benzol]

Hi Tazzie

Thanks for reply. Have an enjoyable day. I know how it feels. Your query was two years old and if you're not researching this part of the family at present then....................

This was just a long shot. I've been searching for the marriage between John Bottoms and Ann Garner, on and off, for a number of years. I posted a query on Rootschat a little while age but no takers. Hoping that if your Battems was in fact Bottoms that you might have other details on this family. It could be that your Henry Battens was related to my John Bottoms in some way. Here's hoping.

Also I have no baptism fo William and Ann Garner's father John. The marriage details I gave for John could be challenged as well. I think the information I have is correct but I don't have conclusive proof.

As you can see I'm in a bit of a quandry with my Garner people.

Cheers

Benzol

Benzol

[tazzie]

   Hi Benzol...............

  Sitting down finally busy day today.

 To be honest yes I did have to rack my brains on this one but the found the right branch on hubbies tree. His uncle had died and his aunt had seen all the work on the tree for her family I had done and asked if I could do her hubbies tree and she could add all of their collective photos and things to the folder. So........

  We start with the marriage of Alice Mitchell to George Hedges L/B 1913 Q3.
 Alice is the daughter of the above mentioned James Mitchell who I needed help to identify with family.
  His mother was Ann Mitchell who married William Garner 1866 Q3 L/B.

  Anne is Ann Roberts in 1841 married to William both aged 20 with a son Thomas James age 5months His baptism is on IGI.
 William dies Q1 1844
 Ann marries John Mitchell Q4 1844.
 I have not pinpointed the death of John yet and had not ordered James' birth cert as not a direct line. As I had not proved his father I showed none on the tree and explained to said Aunt....who was quite amused by the set up of the tree. As there were no children from the marriage to William Garner I had not traced him back at all so cannot add anything to the line.
  There are two baptisms for a son William to John & Martha son first son died.
 Also another baptised in 1820 to Samuel.

  I grew up in Leighton Buzzard as has my mum and the names Battams and Rolfe are also local with mum knowing people with the surname in Leighton today. Battams /Bottems when spoken could well change in spelling. One of my others from Battlesden is Bostin/Boston/Bastin as John will vouch for not easy when its not spelt the same one census after another.
 I can check pre1812 parish records when I get to Leighton which doesn't crop up too often at the moment but I will look next time I go to mums for the name in Battlesden and see what I can come up with for you.

  Sorry not much help but will have a look for you as soon as I can .

             Best wishes

              Tazzie

[Benzol]

Hi Tazzie

Thanks for replying so quickly.

It's a small world, I used to cycle to Leighton Buzzard (and Bletchley) from Hitchin when I was considerably younger. I was a trainspotter in those days. Not much has changed in all those years as I've just exchanged hunting steam-engines for hunting family records.

Tell me about 'Arts and Beds accents. My father's people lived in Pirton a stone's throw from the Bedfordshire border. My dad's great uncle was recorded in Hampshire as being born in "Parton" in the 1861 census. Written down just as it was spoken! My guess is that the Battams/Bottems are the same pedigree as the Bottoms.

Your look-up offer is extremely kind. My thoughts are that Ann Garner married John Bottoms about 1819/20. Their first identified child was Samuel baptised August1820 in Pirton. John was born in Upper Gravenhurst.

I just don't know where to look. LB seems a good place to start as this is the nearest town to Battlesden. I think if all else fails I'll have to visit Bedford and plod through all the parishes in the county. What a bore! Fortunately I have been able to eliminate Hertfordshire as a place for the marriage. The Allen Index of marriages at HALS is first class.

I was somewhat mystified by JohnB's posting. He identified the marriage between William Garner and Anne Mitchell at LB in 1866. Then he listed the 1871 census record for Eggington. Anne, William's wife, had morphed to Elizabeth. Is there an explanation for this?

Bye for now. Thanks once again

Benzol

[tazzie]

  Hi Benzol.....

  I think she must has been Elizabeth Ann  as I have ....

 Elizabeth Ann Garner b1821 d 1881q1 L/B.

 Leighton Buzzard has the PR on fiche for....

 Leighton Buzzard
 Stanbridge
 Tilsworth
 Eggington.

  The books are transcribed for the whole of Bedfrodshire but only to 1812 so for a marriage anywhere else a trip to Bedford or maybe Luton as I did my Woburn lool ups in Luton.

  As yet I do not know Ann /Elizabeth's maiden name so a little project for the next visit...........find second marriage cert and check names...or birth cert of children.

                           Tazzie