Tiddement or Fiddement

[juju9999uk]

Hello,

I had no luck finding a marriage for George Taylor and Ann Moore. So I presumed that they did not marry. His second partner Elizabeth on the other hand he may have married.
I have found a marriage of George Taylor to Elizabeth Fiddement, 1848 Norwich XIII 663. This would fit at about the time they would have got together. Is there anyway of checking to confirm this marriage without buying the certificate?

Happy Hunting
Regards
Ju

[sillgen]

The only way of getting the details is to buy the certificate or find the marriage in the parish register. As Norwich registration district covers a wide area that might take some time unless you know the church.  Have you looked to see if the local family history group have published any transcripts?  A birth certificate for a child will give her maiden name too.
Andrea

[juju9999uk]

Thankyou Andrea,

Think I will start with the parish registers, don't really want to buy a certificate unless I can narrow it down a little.

Happy Hunting
Regards
Ju

[The Yokel]

Hi Ju

do you know when or where George was born?

have you been able to find them on the 1851 census, this might give you a clue to the Norwich parish

regards
yokel

[juju9999uk]

Hi Yokel,

This is how I got to my brick wall.......

Walter Taylor Moore, Father named on Wedding Certificate (1873) George Taylor, Cattle Dealer.

(Farther) George Taylor (Cattle Dealer) was born about 1807, East Tuddenham, Norfolk.
Died 1876, Wymondham, Norfolk.
(Mother) Ann Moore was born about 1801, Wymondham, Norfolk.
(Son) Walter Taylor was born about 1842, Wymondham, Norfolk.
Died Tynemouth 1925. On Death Certificate is says Walter Moore otherwise Taylor.
 
Given this information I would have presumed that he would have been on the 1851 census, but cannot find him anywhere. His mother died when he was about 3 yrs old. Possibly due to child birth as the only entry for  children I can find for definate is a baptism for Charlotte born to Ann Moore on the 11th August 1845 and buried in Wymondham Abbey on the 10th September 1845. Ann Died about 1845.

I have found George and Ann with children on the 1841 Census in Wymondham. HO107/767/25 (no Walter)

George and new wife Elizabeth (Tiddement/Fiddement) in the 1851 Census Wymondham. HO/107/1817 (No Walter)
I thought I had a possible marriage for them and then realised that Elizabeth was born around 1838 and that would have made her 10 when she married.

George and Elizabeth in the 1861 Census. Where there is a Walter but it is a younger brother. RG9 1223/66/2

(I haven't anything for the 1871 Census.)

Two Walter's are confirmed by the 1881 Census.

The Walter I am looking for is in Yorkshire aged 38 with family. RG11 4814/48/10 (This is the earliest I have found him)

The younger brother Walter is in Norfolk aged 28 still living with his mother Elizabeth. RG11 1956/96/20

In the 1891 Census Walter is still in Yorkshire. RG12 3976/54/16
Also in 1901 Census in Yorkshire. RG13 4542/31/13

There are two sons named Walter and two sons named George in the family! I cannot confirm a birth for father George or mother Ann or any of the children.
Who in 1841 have the surname Moore
1851 have the surname Taylor (Moore)
From 1861 onward all listed as Taylor.

I have Walters sibling David in 1861 in Sydenham, Lewisham, Kent with his family. RG9 417/20 thanks to rootschat. But still no Walter. As I haven't found Ann or Georges parents yet, I cannot see if he is with either of his Grandparents after his mother died.

I am off to consult the 1851 census again at the library tomorrow. Maybe I missed him.
Any help much appreciated.

Happy Hunting
Regards
Ju

[sillgen]

I may have got the wrong end of the stick here but what proof do you have that Walter is the son of an Ann Moore?   According to the information you give, you only have an approximate date for his birth which means you do not have his birth certificate.    His name as Taylor Moore rather implies that he was illegitimate - otherwise he would have Taylor as the last name.
As all BMDs are free to search on ancestry I would be tempted to do a really careful search under all possible spellings of both names and see if you can find his birth.  You could also write to the local register office and ask them to look.  He is 38 in 1881 and 47 in 1891 so widen your search a bit away from 1842 - his birth is probably later than that.
If he was illegitimate there is no real proof that George Taylor is his father and it is possible that he put a name as father on his marriage certificate in order not to lose face with his new inlaws.   Ignore this theory if you want but it might be better to try and get his birth certificate so that you have some proof of his parentage!
Andrea

[sillgen]

I have now looked at the 1841 census entry.    Relationships are not given, as you know, and George Taylor and Ann Moore are not necessarily connected in any way - other than living in the same house.  Her name is clearly Moore.  Ann's eldest child is age 15 (so could be up to 19) and they then go down with great regularity.    Have you looked for all those children in 1851?   They might provide a clue.
Andrea

[sillgen]

I have now found them in 1851.  The children have the surname Moore - not Taylor but they are described as "dau to Taylor" etc.   
I am finding it quite confusing as there are at least two men named George Taylor born in Wymondham of about the right age and both seem to have married an Elizabeth!   Did your George leave a will?
Andrea

[juju9999uk]

Hi silgen,
I have no proof that Ann is Walter's mother or George is his father. Only that George was listed as Father on the marriage certificate in 1873. As I have not been able to trace him before the 1881 census (other than the marriage to Ann Hardisty) I wondered if I could find him with George in an earlier census. When I couldn't find him there either I wondered if he was with grandparents on the night of the census. Though finding grandparents has not been that easy.
I planned to go to the library and trawl through the 1851 Census to make sure I have not missed him anywhere. Alas, it was not meant to be, I will have to try to get there next week.
What I did find on BMD was a birth entry for a Henry Taylor Moore in Forehoe 1841. Maybe now I've found 1 I may find Walter.
Have not found a will for George, on his Death Cert it says his daughter Mary Ann(Marianne Taylor) Clabber registered the details X for her mark.
I seem to be finding more details for George Taylor and children than Walter.
He must be out there somewhere though....

Happy Hunting
Regards
Ju