Henderson b. 1898

[SASHAR]

Georgina Henderson was born 2.11.1898 Newcastle Upon Tyne, died 1977.  She married Albert Edward Cartwright, date unknown, but a child born 1925.
Is it possible to find her background or any further birth details from this small amount of info.
In appreciation - Sashar

[Michael Dixon]

Sashar,

Generally speaking, it is easier to track family events in the 1800s, than it is in 1900s.

Are you wanting to backwards in time from her birth, or forwards, or both ?

As you have her exact date of birth ( 2 Feb 1898), I might guess that you have a copy of the registration of her birth, and this would include details of her parents and her mother's maiden name ??

From 1st July 1837 ( to today) births, marriages and deaths were registered at the appropriate Register Office.

So Georgina's marriage to A.E. Cartwright will have been registered whenever and wherever they married.

Indexes of England/Wales marriages ( and births and deaths) are accessible in a variety of ways, including on-line and in larger libraries and archives/Record Offices.


Was she really born in Newcastle upon Tyne ?

Michael Dixon
Newcastle

[lizdb]

In the birth indexes there are 2 Georgina Henderson's born in the Oct/Nov/Dec qtr of 1898:

one in Morpeth reg distr. ref 10b 405
and one in S Shields reg distr ref 10a 737

http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8964&path=1898.Q4-Oct-Nov-Dec.H.25&ln=Record%20from%20England%20&%20Wales,%20Birth%20Index:%201837-1983&st=d&pid=381358&rc=&zp=50

[SASHAR]

I have been trying to help a friend of a friend and just contacted her again.
She doesn't have the birth cert. of Georgina Henderson but has her death Cert. which stated she was born 2.11.1898 Newcastle Upon Tyne.  She died 10.3.1977 in a Nursing Home Bradfield Place, Bradfield, Manning Tree - (probably got that spelt wrong but is how it sounded over the phone).
Georgina is my friend's mother and my friend doesn't remember any family on her mothers side, so Georgina may have been born out of wedlock or brought up in a home.  Several years ago she was told to contact Morpeth for her mothers birth records so the info lizdb found may be correct.  I can't obtain that info so if there is anyway I can get parents names etc off the 1901 Census I would appreciate it.
My friend has just been given some papers about her parents and their birthdates etc are all new to her.  Anything that can be found would be greatly appreciated.
My friend wishes to obtain her parents birth certificates so I am trying to make sure she gets the right ones - regards, Sashar

[Michael Dixon]

Sashar,

Census 1901 was the first record I turned to, after I first read your query.

There was no good candidate for Georgina Henderson
( can we assume Henderson was her "birth" name)

Sometimes we have difficulties because our search criteria throws up too many candidates... your friend's search criteria throws up none...
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Down to business...

On Census 1901 in response to the search criteria
" georg*", "female", "henderson" , " born 1898, +/- 2 years"...........

this is what was returned...

Georgina Henderson 3 yrs, in Liverpool, Lancashire,
born Liverpool.

Georgina Henderson 1 yr in Gateshead, Co Durham, born Gateshead

Georgiana ( but I think this is Georgina) Henderson, 18 months, born North ??, Castle Market ??, in London.
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There were several children called Georgina, whose births were registered within Newcastle upon Tyne District Register Office within the period 1897-1899

But none of them had Henderson surname.

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Of the two Georgina Henderson that were registered in Dec qtr of 1898, found by lizdb, ...maybe the Morpeth one is more likely.... Morpeth, was in Northumberland, same county as Newcastle, and there is a death registered in South Shields DRO in March Qtr of a Georgina Henderson, aged 0 yrs, that might be the South Shields Georgina, registered in Dec Qtr 1898 !
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Maybe you or your friend could order the Morpeth certificate on the condition that the birth of that Georgina was 2 Nov 1898..... thereby avoiding buying the "wrong" cert.

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If her place of birth of "Newcastle upon Tyne" was given on her death cert by a descendant, not familiar with the North-East of England, it is possible they give the Register Office official an "approximate" birth place.

I was born in Blyth, 12 miles north east of Newcastle. I went to school in Morpeth, which is 13 miles due north of Newcastle. But when I lived in London, I told folk I was from Newcastle, not Blyth or Morpeth, places they would be unfamiliar with !!

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Just a couple of snippetts on Registration Districts............

Morpeth DRO covered much more than the town of Morpeth, a wide rural area and other towns such as Bedlington, Ashington, Newbiggin etc.

But Morpeth DRO did not border Newcastle DRO. There was another DRO sandwiched between them, that of Castle Ward.

Similarly South Shields did not border Newcastle DRO , Gateshead DRO separated them.

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Another way to get firm info on Georgina's parents is to search for and find the registration of her marriage to Albert Edward Cartwright.

The record of this marriage will contain the name of her father and his occupation.

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Does your friend know what Georgina/Albert Edward called their first dtr and second son ?.  The English Naming Pattern had it that couples had to name their children after the children's grandparents in a specific sequence.... But by 1900 this convention was dying out !
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Sorry that there is nothing concrete


Michael Dixon

[SASHAR]

Hi Michael,
Wow - that's a lot to think about!
I know that Georgina just had the 1 Christian name.  On her death certificate, the informant was not known by Georgina's daughter (my friend living in Aust).  Could the informant have been someone from the Nursing Home where she last resided? I believe another daughter may have been living in SAfrica at the time of death so no relative would have been present.  So your theory on place of birth being wrong, could be right!
Georgina & Albert had 4 daughters, including  eldest b.1925, Doris (died at 4 months).
The Marriage Cert of Georgina & Albert sounds a good idea.  Is this possible to get from Australia not knowing many details.  Albert's full name and Georgina is all I have for certain, not too sure about her surname, plus an approx. date range.
I appreciate your time and suggestions, this has been very complicated, but you have given lots of ideas and avenues to try - thankyou, Sashar

[lizdb]

i've been trying to find the marriage of Albert E cartwright to georgina Henderson in the indexes for you, to enable you to send for the cert. At present no success.
I have looked 1919 - 1926.

Perhaps I will try a few more years and report back to you!

modified: I note there is a possibilty she may have used a diffeent surname. So maybe that is why I cant find the marriage!

Perhaps a better approach is to get a birth cert of one of the children and see what details that gives for the parents, Albert and Georgina.

[Michael Dixon]

So did Georgina marry "abroad" ?

Michael

[lizdb]

the plot thickens!

I thought  I would find the birth of little Doris. I looked in 1925 and there are 4 Doris Cartwrights born during the year, with mother's maiden names Griffin, parker, Butler and Creese.

So, I thought if I then found the death of whichever one died at 4 months - then that would be the one!

But - I looked right to the end of 1926 and none of these Doris cartwright's had died.

So - I think it is re-check the FACTS time!!
Where did the info about baby Doris come from and is it just what somone remembered (in which case her year of birth may be out) or are there certificates to prove it.
do we have d-o-b's (or birth certs) of any of the other daughters of the marriage?