MANN & BETTS from Norwich

[JMann]

Looking for information and descendants of :
James MANN b. 1833 Blickling  
and
Honor BETTS b. 1829 Swanington

Married in 1855 and moved from Blickling to Sunderland Durham  in 1862/63

[Topsy]

According to the 1881 Census, Honor a widow aged 53  b. Swannington, Norfolk was living  31 Wellington St., Southwick, Durham with 5 sons and one daughter. There was poss. at least one more son William.
On the 1891 Census I have found son James E. with wife & family (inc dau. Honor) also  Wlliam Mann with dau. Honor.
Let me know if you believe these to be the right family.

[Topsy]

I have found a possible death for James that would need checking.

Deaths Jun 1871
Mann  James  38  Sunderland  10a 398

also an 1851 Census entry:
Head: MANN, James         Neighbors     152727
Name   Relationship   Mar   Age    Sex   Occupation    Birthplace
James  MANN   Head   M   50   M   Woodman   Blickling-NFK
Mary  MANN   Wife   M   49   F   ---   Blickling-NFK
James  MANN   Son   U   18   M   Gardener   Blickling-NFK
Harriet  MANN   Daur   -   12   F   ---   Blickling-NFK
Hannah  MANN   Daur   -   9   F   ---   Blickling-NFK
Daniel  MANN   Son   -   8   M   ---   Blickling-NFK
   Address:   Cotton Street, Aylsham
   Census Place:   Blickling Aylsham, Norfolk
   PRO Reference:   HO/107/1810   Folio:   311   Page:   13   FHL Film:   0207463

[krisesjoint]

no help with her family but

1851 census Bridge Farm St Faiths Attlebridge Norfolk
HO/107/ 1811 Folio 84 page 1 FHL Film 0207464

Barnabus L Seely 30 farmer 300 acres employ 6 men 3 boys b Wood Dalling Nfk
elizabeth wife 30 b Sall Nfk
Augusta dau 8 b Sall Nfk
Arthur son 6 b Attlebridge Nfk
Charles A son 6 b Attlebridge
Sophia dau 4 b Attlebridge
Alfred Wm 2 b Attlebridge
Honor Betts unmarried 20 House Servant b Swanington Nfk
Maria Beans unmarried 19 House Servant b Spatham Nfk

Kris

[JMann]

Hi Topsy and Kris,  for some reason I didn't get notifications of these messages so do appreciate your messages.  You both have zeroed in on my family members, thank you.

Thank you Kris for that census with Honor, I didn't have that one.  Bravo!

Topsy,  I can confirm that is the death of my James Mann in 1871, soon after the census.  Thanks for the 1851 census too, that's wonderful.

You're also correct about the sons of Honor on the 1881.  In fact there's also a mystery for me.  Next door is a John Mann, born in Blickling abt. 1827 - which could be my James'  brother but I can't find him in the Blickling parish records - will also have to look for the 1841 census for the family

mystery family:
John MANN   Head   M   Male   53   Blicking, Norfolk, England   Founder Bottle Works     
 Sophia MANN   Wife   M   Female   49   Oulton, Norfolk, England   Dressmaker     
 Thomas MANN   Son   U   Male   18   Southwick, Durham, England   Boilermaker     
 Hannah MANN   Dau   U   Female   16   Southwick, Durham, England       
 George MANN   Son   U   Male   12   Southwick, Durham, England   Scholar     
 Ellen MANN   Dau   U   Female   7   Southwick, Durham, England   Scholar     
 William HARDIE   Son In Law   M   Male   30   Southwick, Durham, England   Seaman     
 Mary HARDIE   Daur (Wife)   M   Female   22   Southwick, Durham, England       
 Mary HARDIE   G Dau   U   Female   1   Southwick, Durham, England       


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Source Information:
  Dwelling   29 Wellington St
  Census Place Southwick, Durham, England
  Family History Library Film   1342205
  Public Records Office Reference   RG11
  Piece / Folio   5003 / 137
  Page Number   58

[JMann]

Update:
I've viewed the 1841 census for Blickling and as suspected my mystery "John" is found within the family.    I have also obtained his marriage certificate and everything falls into place now.   Strange his baptism isn't recorded with the others.   I note the eldest brother was born in Oulton, so have ordered the Oulton parish records and maybe John will appear too.

[Julian Mann]

Hi,

on aurfing the internet I saw your interest in MANN/BETTS. I am a decendant of their son James Edward born 03 Mar. 1863 in Blickling, Norfolk. He was my great-grandfather.

The a.m. James Edward married Hannah Goodens and had 7(?) children:
Jane born abt. 1884
James born abt. 1886
Margaret born abt. 1887
Thomas born abt. 1888
Ethel born abt. 1895
Elizabeth born abt. 1897
William born abt. 1900

James was my grandfather who married Margaret Nixon. They had 5 children:
Wilhelmina born abt. 1908
Elsie born abt. 1912
James born abt. 1915
William born 12.Jan 1917
Isabel born abt. 1919, died 1920

Margaret died in 1919 shortly after giving birth to Isabel. I am sure that James remaried and had a number of children by his second wife. In any case he as good as deserted my father William and his older brother James. They both moved to the London area in the 30's

I am the youngest of three boys, my older brothers are living in the UK but I live in Germany.

It would be interesting to hear your iconnection to the family.

Regards,

Julian Mann

[JMann]

Hello Julian

We are very pleased to make contact with you.  You and my husband would be third cousins.   I have contacted you by PM with our e-mail address.   We hope to hear from you soon.