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WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? (Episode 6)
« on: Tuesday 16 November 04 19:38 GMT (UK) »

The sixth episode of the BBC's celebrity Family History series
- 9pm Tuesday 16th November 2004 on BBC2 in the UK (& Europe for Digital Free to Air viewers)


WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
"Family Headlines
Moira Stuart's fascination with her heritage takes her on a journey of discovery - from the familiar surroundings of London to the tropics of the Caribbean, on Tuesday 16th November BBC2.
" http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/

This series has been well worth watching, and at over half way through the series, if you've missed it so far, you may find it of interest. Also if you've not used your interactive button before (the red one), then give your thumb a bit of a treat (Sky Digital and Freeview viewers & some Cable areas) - the interactive bit gives you tips on conducting your own research.

Then on Wednesday 17th November at 8.30pm "Family Ties" on BBC4 (the TV channel available for free on Freeview, or on Sky Digital/Cable)
"The Mother of Pearl:
Following the death of Winifred O'Donnell, relatives found out that she had left her first family. Allison, a grandaughter from her second marriage, pieces together the story.."

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So will you be keeping us company and joining us yet again on the ever squashed and comfier RootsChat sofa and watching Who Do You Think You Are?


See comments on the previous programmes here:

Episode 5:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=18946.0

Episode 4:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=17613.0

Episode 3:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=16836.0

Episode 2:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15727.0

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15673.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14764.0

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Re: WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? (Episode 6)
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 November 04 22:41 GMT (UK) »


Just watched Moira's episode and found it fascinating, the best one yet,  interesting and informative for those seeking Afro/Caribbean origins.
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Re: WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? (Episode 6)
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 November 04 22:50 GMT (UK) »
I loved it too... a marvellous insight into her varied history - doesn't it show how education changed her family...

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Re: WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? (Episode 6)
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 16 November 04 22:59 GMT (UK) »
I enjoyed the show for what it was .... informative and educational television although I do not mean to denigrate the show in anyway by saying that .
( as regards rating the show I would personally put it a slight fraction behind the Ian Hislop show but thats purely down to personal interests) 

It's a pity, I believe, that not much more was known about the first George Christian as it would appear that he was an extraordinary man who set the standards that his family were to follow and build upon in future generations.


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Re: WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? (Episode 6)
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 16 November 04 23:09 GMT (UK) »
I felt Moira let go a little quickly when a clue became sticky. I am a little surprised that she did not know the origins of the surnames adopted by emancipated slaves. I was also a little surprised when she discovered with surprise that she might have a mixed race heritage. I would have thought that an educated woman of Caribbean origin would have done some reading into the history of the area.
The narrator or whoever wrote his script showed ignorance in referring to the emancipation of slaves in "the mid-19th century". Elementary checking would have shown that date to be too late to match reality. The West and the Arab world have nothing to be proud of about slavery but comment on it should be based on fact. Britain was in the absolute forefront of the abolition of slavery and the enforcement of that ban was, for many years, done only by Britain and her Navy.
All that apart it was a good human interest story but not more than that.
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Re: WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? (Episode 6)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 November 04 10:52 GMT (UK) »
I enjoyed the show too.

The only disappointing point for me was the readiness with which the programme leapt to accept as fact the (unfounded or at least un-evidenced -- and very probably undocumentable either way) suggestion that the great great grandfather was the illegitimate child of the Antiguan planter. This might make for better TV and a more dramatic story but was not based on proof of any sort -- and proof has to be the foundation of any reliable genealogy (or else I'm a descendant of the queen of Sheba).

The programme also exported early C21th assumptions back into the early C19th. In the era before universal state education, to become a teacher did not usually involve formal courses and qualifications. When the threshold of ignorance was so low, to become a teacher one did not have to rise so very much higher above it. I know this from my own family history, where in the late Victorian era some of my kin in their late teens, without any but the most elementary education, became "pupil-teachers" and later school masters and mistresses. I see no reason to assume that, decades earlier and in the Caribbean, the gt gt gf in the programme had any more structured training to become a teacher (which seemed to be the presumption in the programme).

Nonetheless, it's great Tuesday night viewing.

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Re: WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? (Episode 6)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 November 04 14:39 GMT (UK) »
Good point GreySquirrel.

And this is aimed at new Family Historians,  it is teaching bad habits,  this is not the first time they have leapt to conclusions based on the flimsiest of information.  :(

As a piece of entertainment it works,  but for an experienced researcher it is annoying,  and for a new one it is mis-leading.  All-in-all I continue to be disappointed with this series,  whilst still enjoying the human-interest  stories.   :-\

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Re: WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? (Episode 6)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 November 04 18:09 GMT (UK) »
I think Kazza you have summed up the series extremely well ... it is a "series of human interest stories".

I have found most, entertaining enough (even Clarkson  ::) ) but I believe that they have given the wrong impression about the work necessary in genealogy and they are very guilty of making presumptions on screen without producing the evidence for that .... it may well be that they have the evidence but it simply does not make "good television" and so is not shown.

One example of this could be the assumption in Moira Stuarts case of a mixed race background ...... no evidence was led for this although physically Ms Stuart does appear to have the possibility of mixed heritage . it was good TV to wring a bit of extra sympathy and paint the slave owners into the dark corner that 21st century beliefs  keep them but nothing else.

I believe that with others this show missed an excellent opportunity for good TV and informative TV.

PS I also agree with Hackstaple about the inaccurate narrative.

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Re: WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? (Episode 6)
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 November 04 18:16 GMT (UK) »

Kazza - Hack - Falkyrn - Grey Squirrell...

Well, that's learned me a lesson - just goes to show that us 'newbies' have a lot to learn.
I do know not to make assumptions and to try to find reliable evidence but it is so easy to get carried away.
Having read all that you have said I can see the programme in a different light - still a good bit of telly though  :)
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