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Hi, Everyone,
It may have been noticed on here today that as a result of discovering a relatively rare surname of a family who married into my family from a 1904 marriage certificate, I have been making enquiries based on the Ancestry database British Phone Books 1880-1984, and have particularly been asking about an individual who was listed in London between the years 1950 and 1970.
Now, are other members of this family going to get irritated by my sudden enquiries - am I in fact within my rights to be asking these questions?  It just seems so much more recent than most of the genealogy I've been involved with over the last few years...
Very best wishes,
keith

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Re: Ancestry British Phone Book resource - is it OK to discuss individuals on here?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 January 07 19:10 GMT (UK) »
I think the guideline is that no living individuals must be identified ....
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Re: Ancestry British Phone Book resource - is it OK to discuss individuals on here?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 08 January 07 19:15 GMT (UK) »
Newfy,
That could be a little tricky to ensure, with entries as recent as 1984.
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Re: Ancestry British Phone Book resource - is it OK to discuss individuals on here?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 January 07 19:25 GMT (UK) »
Rootschat policy is not to name individuals who are living, to prevent identity theft and other abuses.


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Re: Ancestry British Phone Book resource - is it OK to discuss individuals on here?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 January 07 19:42 GMT (UK) »
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not sure how else the line could be drawn about a living persons privacy other than a total ban on naming them ?

If there were shades of grey, you could be open to litigation if something untoward occurred .... I guess ?

On the other hand, a date / year being fairly recent shouldnt be an automatic deletion - esp if you know they arent alive ?
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Re: Ancestry British Phone Book resource - is it OK to discuss individuals on here?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 January 07 19:43 GMT (UK) »
It really is quite impossible sometimes to keep "living persons" details secret!I suppose we could stop people looking in modern day Phone Books for info!

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Re: Ancestry British Phone Book resource - is it OK to discuss individuals on here?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 January 07 19:49 GMT (UK) »
At the moment ANCESTRY only have a handful of Counties on their database, including the London area.  Not sure why 1984 was their cut off point (Mr Orwell to blame, perhaps?), and not sure whether they'll produce more recent data in the near future.
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 January 07 20:13 GMT (UK) »
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I suppose we could stop people looking in modern day Phone Books for info!

People who appear in modern phone listings do so (allegedly) because they have not requested to be "ex - directory" - and therefore have nominally given their "consent" for this publication.

The data protection laws concerning the publishing of personal information of individuals without their consent can be quite strict and the penalties range from fines to prison time.

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Re: Ancestry British Phone Book resource - is it OK to discuss individuals on here?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 08 January 07 20:41 GMT (UK) »
A couple aspects which may not be popular but here goes...

"But I know they are dead" - with reference to someone who died recently...

We generally quarantine and or edit these posts to NOT name the recently deceased.  This is a real story...

I was sitting in a bar at lunchtime in Uni and my friend was reading the paper.  She turned the page and went white, like all the blood had drained from her.  We asked her what it was.  It was an obituary for her father.  She didn't know he was dead.

This is an extreme story but when you have witnessed a person read about the death of a loved one it's hard to forget and not think I hope that never happens to me.

So on one level we think about the next generation.  If you give detail about a deceased uncle are his children wanting to read about his death on a public forum?

On a technical point security questions in the financial services often rest on mother's maiden name - deceased or not.  If somebody has innocently posted info about their mother they leave themselves and their siblings exposed.

If a user asks "Does anyone know John Smith born 1950 London went to St Francis primary school his mum is Jane Jones" they have given away 4 maybe 5 of the security script questions.

Our policy and my judgment in moderating is based on whether we could gain info we shouldn't have, if the answer is yes then quarantine it is.

We don't delete unless we can't see a way of editing.

It is worth noting that this is not a point of law but a judgment on protecting our users and other people.

Anyway, finally, it is possible to ask HOW to do something without giving specific detail of the person we are doing it about.

Sometimes we get so used to dealing with "our people" we forget they are other people's people to.  In the last year I have had to delete posts on this site where a family member who would of been an old chap if alive had been declared illegitimate, another who had been outed.  These are people who have a right to their privacy.

I'm happy to answer any questions anyone might have on this subject, by PM if preferred if you are unsure if a piece of info would be considered to revealing.

All the best,
Pam
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