COMPLETED Farr 1861 census Luton

[janan]

 Amos and Betsy FARR still lost in 1861 - Bedfordshire Boy has searched south of Luton.  John FARR and family have been found in 1841 see below.   My GGGrandfather Amos Farr born circa 1830 in Luton, Pepperstock, Caddington, New Mill/Mile End, Luton, Flamstead according to census,  married Betsy GODFREY.  Probably in St Mary's Parish Luton Newtown or Chase St   Thanks in anticipation. Jan 

[criggy]

Sorry, this time the census says he was born in Hertfordshire!

1851 Census Index only

Luton HO/107/1757 184 En Dis 4 folios 416-758

Name, Age, Birthplace, folio No.

FARR

John 35 Hrt 477
Ann 30 LUT 477
Maria 9 LUT 477
Robert 5 LUT 477
Hannah 2 LUT 477

William 16 Bkm 478
Mary Ann 14 Ham 478

Rebecca 77 LUT 540
Charlotte 30 LUT 540
Jane 1 LUT 540

William 50 Hrt 583
John 13 Hrt 583

Eliza 12 LUT 638

Mary 19 Hrt 666
John 4m LUT 666

Mathew 18 LUT 682

Elizabeth 32 Hrt 741
Mary Ann 12 Bdf 741
William 11 Hrt 741

Sarah 17 Sry 701

Hannah 60 Hrt 750
Robert 28 Hrt 750
Mary 14 LUT 750

Amos 22 Hrt 757
Elizabeth 22 SHI 757 (Shillington)
Richard 2m LUT 757

Just looked at my map & Caddington and New Mill End are both very near the Hertfordshire border & just south of Luton with Pepperstock inbetween them next to Slip End, all just a few miles from each other.

[janan]

Hi Criggy,
Thanks for that.  If I've found the right John in 1871,  Amos' father was born and is living in Kingsbourne Green, Herts so I wonder if that is where Amos was actually born - it is close to New Mill End and Pepperstock. regards Jan

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Jan
Re our exchange on the Herts board I've checked 1851 Kingsbourne Green (and Harpenden) but John Farr does not appear, although there are a couple of other Farr families in KG; Francis Farr 40 and family, and George Farr 22 and family, both born Harpenden. Let me know if you want full details.

I'll try looking for Amos in 1861 in Luton, but from my reading of the position, and correct me if I'm wrong, you as yet have no firm link between Amos and the John in Kingsbourne Green in 1871.

Don't forget that more of Caddington was actually in Herts than in Beds so it would be interesting to see the full 1851 census entry to see if it expands on "Herts" and provides the name of a village as well. The poor fellow certainly seems to have had a problem with his birthplace! He doesn't appear on the IGI under Caddington, though, which has been extracted up to 1875, so possibly it's one of the other parishes he mentions.

Have you found Amos in 1871? I can't find him at all.

I'll let you know if I find anything

Regards

David

[janan]

Hi again David,
I eventually found Amos in 1871 under the bizarre Annis Fan - which was pure bad transcription as the original image looked like Amos Farr to me! You are right I don't have a firm connection between Amos and any particular John (it is the 1841 census I really need) it remains a puzzle. Thanks for your efforts.  Regards Jan
 

[janan]

Just posting some further info kindly sent by Waterfall

"What I have does not tell you what you really need......well I don't think so. I suspect that Amos was born at Pepperstock which comes under the parish of Flamstead in Herts.  I have found in my own line that the parish of
Pepperstock,Caddington and Slip End are sometimes referred to as  "Luton" on the census. My local library does not have   the 1841 for Caddington/Pepperstock/Slip End or Luton. I have checked the 1841 for Flamstead but Amos is not on it which is another indication that he might be on the 1841 for Caddington.......or maybe Luton. Does he not say on his marriage who his father is? Anyway here is the full entry for 1851.

Luton, New Town.

Richard Godfrey, Head, M, 43, Gardener, Hts, Hexton.
Mary Godfrey, Wife, M, 43, Bonnet Sewer, Bds, Pegsdon.
Amos Farr, son in law, M, 22, Bleacher, Hts, Flamstead.
Elizabeth Farr, dau, 22, Bonnet Sewer, Bds, Pegsdon.
Fred Godfrey, son, U, 21, Bleacher, Bds, Pegsdon.
George Godfrey, son, 18, Groom, Hts, Hexton.
Sarah Godfrey, dau, U, 15, Bonnet Sewer, Hts, Hexton.
Alfred Godfrey, son, U, 12, Scholar, Hts, Hexton.
Amelia Godfrey, dau, 7, Scholar, Hts, Hexton.
Richrad Farr, G/son, 2 mths, Bds, Luton.
Luton, New Town

Hannah Farr, Head, Widow, 60, St/Plaiter, Hts, Harpenden.
Robert Farr, Son, U, 28, Farm Labourer, Hts, Harpenden
Mary Farr, dau, U, 14, Plaiter, Bds, New Mill End.
William Mileinou, son in law, M, 30, Lab Bricklayer, Bds, Luton.
Emma Mileinou, dau, M, 25, Bonnet Sewer, Hts, Kimpton.

Luton, New Street.

John Farr, Head, M, 35, Bleacher of Plait, Hts, Harpenden.
Ann Farr, Wife, 30, Bonnet Sewer, Bds, Luton.
Maria Farr, dau, 9, Scholar, Bds, Luton.
Robert Farr, son, 5, Scholar.
Hannah Farr, dau, 2, Bds, Luton."

[waterfall]

 Hi.....that you should be so lucky.!! I had a shrewd idea as to where they might be in 1841 and there they were.........well think so. So up to you now.

1841 census.

East Hyde, Luton.

John Farr, aged 45, A/L, bn in County
Hannah Farr, aged 45, bn in County
Robert Farr, aged 20, bn in County
Emma Farr, aged 15, bn in County
Amos Farr, aged 10, bn in County
Matthew Farr, aged 10, bn in County
Mary Farr, aged 5, bn in County

I did have a quick look at East Hyde baps which only start from 1842 and looked up to 1851......got the following:-

11/10/1843 Martha d of John/Hannah Farr. East Hyde Hamlet. Labourer.

No others.

Burials at Luton St Mary (so I assume they moved from East Hyde to Luton after 1841..........Pepperstock in between.)

5/11/1848 John Farr, Luton , aged 58.
16/10/1857 Hannah Farr, Luton Union, aged 65.

Think this reiterates your assumption that Amos is son of John/Hannah.

Bye Susan

[janan]

Susan you are an even bigger star!  Made my day. I suspect they moved about quite a bit (which is why Amos appears so confused) ,  possibly moving to Luton for work when John could no longer manage ag lab work for some reason. Death certificates are definitely the next step.  Thanks again,  Jan

[PaulineJ]

1861 census Lookup Complete?

RG9/1012  Luton  Folio  105 
Parish. Luton (St Mary)
15, New Town Road.

Amos Farr 1830  Pepperstock, Hertfordshire, England Head  BLOCKER
Betsey Farr 1830  Pegsden, Bedfordshire, England Wife  BONNET ?Sewer?
   
Richd Farr 1851  Luton, Bedfordshire, England Son   
Fredk Farr 1855  Luton, Bedfordshire, England Son
Arthur Farr 1858  Luton, Bedfordshire, England Son   
Alfred Farr 1860  Luton, Bedfordshire, England Son

Ebenezer Draper 1835  Luton, Bedfordshire, England Boarder    DYER
Sarah Ann Newbury 1840  Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England Boarder  Bonnet Sewer
Herbert Newbury 1861  Luton, Bedfordshire, England Boarder   

Pauline