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gwinnurth, gwinnett,gwinurt
« on: Saturday 20 November 04 21:06 GMT (UK) »
I have tried for some time now to find my Great Grandmother's birth. She is Elizabeth Gwinnurth on her marriage certificate. But other documents include the name Gwinnett, Gwinurt and even Gwinnwith.
She married Joseph Henry Wilson on 18 Nov 1896 in Hanley Staffs. On some documents it appears she was from Warrington and on others she states she was from Brierly Hill. Her father was William B:circa 1830 in Stourbridge. She was born around 1877, but once again it depends which documents you look at. She did eventually live in Mansfield Woodhouse, Notts and it was here that she died. I have found her marriage and also found her in Mansfield Woodhouse on the 1901 census, but cannot exactly pin down her birth. She had siblings name Enoch, Sarah, John and Matilda all born between 1870 and 1880. The spelling is a nightmare. Not sure if anyone can help but would be eternally grateful for any ideas.

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Re: gwinnurth, gwinnett,gwinurt
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 November 04 01:03 GMT (UK) »
Would this be the family in 1881? If so you have another spelling, some more age variations and a couple more siblings!

Willam GIVINETT Head M Male 45  Briley Hill, Stafford, England Ironworker     
 Elizabeth GIVINETT   Wife   M   Female   46   Briley Hill, Stafford, England       
 Pheobe GIVINETT Dau  U   Female   22   Briley Hill, Stafford, England   Fustian Cutter     
 Mary GIVINETT   Dau   U   Female   17   Briley Hill, Stafford, England   Fustian Cutter     
 Matilde GIVINETT   Dau   U   Female   15   Briley Hill, Stafford, England   Scholar     
 Enoch William GIVINETT   Son   U   Male   10   Briley Hill, Stafford, England   Scholar     
 Sarah GIVINETT   Dau   U   Female   6   Warrington, Lancashire, England   Scholar     
John Thomas GIVINETT Son U Male 4 Warrington, Lancashire, England   Scholar     
 Elizabeth GIVINETT  Dau   U   Female   2   Warrington, Lancashire, England   

72 Howard St
Warrington, Lancashire, England
RG11/3793 Folio 41

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Re: gwinnurth, gwinnett,gwinurt
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 November 04 11:14 GMT (UK) »
Wow! It looks like that's them, including my great grandmother and more family members I didn't know about. The spelling of that surname has been a killer.

What can I say!!!

Many many thanks, you've made my year!

Right, off we go again and many thanks again.

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Re: gwinnurth, gwinnett,gwinurt
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 November 04 12:03 GMT (UK) »
Sterling work Trish..

Kingswinford, Staffordshire 
RG10/3028 Folio 148 

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Elizabeth Gwinett 36  Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Wife  Kingswinford  Staffordshire   
Mary Gwinett 8  Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Daughter  Kingswinford  Staffordshire   
Matilda Gwinett 4  Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Daughter  Kingswinford  Staffordshire   
Phebe A Gwinett 12  Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Daughter  Kingswinford  Staffordshire   
William A Gwinett 38  Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England Head  Kingswinford  Staffordshire   
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Re: gwinnurth, gwinnett,gwinurt
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 November 04 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi BF

Thought I should tell you how I found them - could help you in the future - some names were really designed not to be found!
I decided Enoch was the least common of the given names you had listed, so I searched the census looking for Enoch with father William (no surname). Born between 1870-1880. I then mixed and matched birthplace / census place between Staffordshire and Lancashire - I think the find was my third try. I have done a little Census transcribing - so please don't blame the transcribers - Some enumerators I call "The enumerator from ..." - Almost impossible to read!

Its really nice to get such an enthusiastic  thank you - hope you enjoy the rest of the search

Trish

PS Thanks Pauline - your reply came while I was typing - those ages keep changing!!
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Re: gwinnurth, gwinnett,gwinurt
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 November 04 12:07 GMT (UK) »
I would think the Givinett is just poor transcription - meld the first i and the v together and you have  a w.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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Re: gwinnurth, gwinnett,gwinurt
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 November 04 12:16 GMT (UK) »
If it was the 1901, I would probably agree with you Hack, but not the 1881 nor FreeCen - it's easy to see where the error was made when you know what it should be.

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Re: gwinnurth, gwinnett,gwinurt
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 November 04 12:21 GMT (UK) »
And another variation!

Superintendant
Registrar's District Registrar's
Sub-District Piece E.D. Ecclesiastical
District
Stourbridge Kingswinford RG 09-2073 25 Brierley Hill
 
Residence Detail
117 BANK STREET


Given Name Family Name Age Grouping
WILLIAM GWINNALL 27 yrs 25583
ELIZABETH GWINNALL 24 yrs 25583
PHOEBE GWINNALL 2 yrs 25583

That is from  http://www.griffs4bears.co.uk/census/scripts/search61.html
and there is also another family which looks as though they are related....

Superintendant
Registrar's District Registrar's
Sub-District Piece E.D. Ecclesiastical
District
Stourbridge Kingswinford RG 09-2073 25 Brierley Hill
 
Residence Detail
116 BANK STREET


Given Name Family Name Age Grouping
JOSEPH GWINNALL 59 yrs 25582
PHOEBE GWINNALL 61 yrs 25582
MATILDA GWINNALL 18 yrs 25582


Rose (Black Country),Downs (Black Country),Wolloxall (any and all),Bark (Derbyshire),Wright (Derbyshire),Marsden (Derbyshire), Wallace (Black Country)

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Re: gwinnurth, gwinnett,gwinurt
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 November 04 12:47 GMT (UK) »
Can add to previous posting that:
Joseph is puddler in an ironworks, born Staffs,Kingswinford
Phoebe  born same
Matilda is bank girl at colliery and born same
William is puddler at iron works,born same
Elizabeth born same
Phoebe born same

Hope that helps :)

Can also send Joseph,Pheobe and family in 1851 if you would like?
Rose (Black Country),Downs (Black Country),Wolloxall (any and all),Bark (Derbyshire),Wright (Derbyshire),Marsden (Derbyshire), Wallace (Black Country)

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