1881 Census West Ham

[Indaloman]

Could someone kindly look up Margaret Cecilia STOKES born 1879/80 living in West Ham, an details of the household please. I have her dob, date of marriage to my grandfather, but I need to know who her parents were.

Thanks in advance
PAul

[Necromancer]

1881 - RG11/1712; Folio: 63; Page: 13 - West Ham
5 Emily Terr Church St

 
Henry Stokes* 29  Head Bookbinder Middx, St George in the East
Charlotte Stokes 31  Wife Middx, Bethnal Green
John Stokes 11  son St George East
Thomas Stokes 8 son do
Emma Stokes 6  dau do
Florie Stokes 4  dau do
Margaret Stokes 2  dau do
Charlotte Stokes 7 mons Canning Town   


Possible marriage ..

Marriages Mar 1869   
 
Brown  Rose    Bethnal Green  1c 484   
MURPHY  Daniel     Bethnal Green  1c 484   
Porter  Charlotte      Bethnal Green  1c 484   
Stokes  Henry      Bethnal Green  1c 484



*Henry is a Bookbinder in 1871 as well .....

[Valda]

Births Mar 1879   
Stokes  Margaret     St. Geo. East  1c 417

Marriages Mar 1908 
STOKES  Margaret Cecilia    St. Giles  1b 659

Since there is not a birth registration for a Margaret Cecilia Stokes you may want to obtain her marriage certificate to check the details for her father unless you are absolutely sure the 1881 census family is correct - especially since the family seem so difficult to find after the 1881 census.

Regards

Valda

[Indaloman]

Thank you all for your help, I will have to get the birth cert as my father, now deceased, told me that Margaret's father, his mother, was at first in the Royal Irish Constabulary, then transfered to the Met. The Met refused to transfer his pension rights and he took his case to the House of Commons and he won. But the family think his name was John, my Dad always referred to him as his favorite uncle John. I even have a photo of him in uniform.

[Necromancer]

Now you've mentioned these extra details, yes I'd agree that the marriage Cert is needed.

The above family jumped straight out with the right name and YoB and District, but it might be worth delving deeper based on the facts you have....

how did you establish the West Ham area as a location ?

Keep us posted !

[Valda]

Births Dec 1881  
STOKES  Maggie     Greenwich  1d 1032

Still no father called John, but a father who was in the Metropolitan police and was from Ireland. No connection with Essex though (but then the Metropolitan police force did not extend into Essex).

1881 census RG11 721 folio 115
West grove House Greenwich  London
Rodrick Stokes 35 Ireland Head Married Metropolitan Police constable (caretaker)
Maria Stokes  24 Ireland Wife Married
Mary Stokes 5 Greenwich, Kent,  Daughter    
John Stokes 3 Greenwich, Kent,  Son  
William Stokes  1 Greenwich, Kent,  Son  

1891 census RG12 219 folio 140
9 Tooks Court St Andrew and St George  London  
Patrick Stokes  44 Ireland Head Married  Police Sergeant
Maria Stokes 32 Ireland Wife Married
Mary Stokes 15 Greenwich, London,  Daughter Apprentice dressmaking
John Stokes 13 Greenwich, London,  Son  Clerk
William Stokes 11 Greenwich, London,  Son  
Maggie Stokes 9 Greenwich, London,  Daughter
George Stokes  7 Deptford, London,  Son  

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

1901 census RG13 196 folio 120
22 Balls Pond Road Islington  London
Patrick Stokes 54  Wexford, Ireland Head Marrried Collector furnishing boy
Maria Stokes  43 Westmeath, Ireland Wife Married
John P Stokes  23 Kent,  Son  Law writer's clerk 
Maggie Stokes 19  Kent,  Daughter  Draper's assistant
Michael Stokes 17 Kent, Son Solicitor's clerk   

I think you need to obtain Margaret's marriage certificate first to be sure which is the correct birth certificate.

Regards

Valda

[Indaloman]

Thanks Valda, I will have to get the marriage cert as the only info is from family knowledge Margaret's parents are shown to be John Stokes and Marie (unknown surname)

[Necromancer]

guess you missed my last posting ...

How did you establish West Ham as the 1881 likely location ?