1841 Census Thomas Attwood

[carol80]

Trying to find Thomas Attwood and his wife Phoebe ( Ritchie ) in 1841.
All i know is they had a son John Edward Attwood in 1808 Canterbury, Kent.
John married in 1830.
Any information on Thomas and/or Phoebe would be most welcome
Regards
Carol

[atth2o]

Hi Carol80,

Going based on the ages only, the only Thomas is not with Phebe.  Here is the transcription:

South dean, Bolington, Stockbury, Kent

Thomas Attwood, 55, Ag Lab, Y
Sarah Attwood, 50, Y
Thomas Attwood, 8, Y

Living next door:  Jesse Attwood & family.

If I have this correct, John b1807, is also in Stockbury.

Let me know if this may be correct or if we need to look further.  Perhaps it would help if you list what you know about John's generation.  Do you have siblings names?

Nancy

[carol80]

I do not Know if this is the one !!
All i have at the moment is the 1841 Census for the son John
1841 Census
HO107 486-20 folio 40 page 39:
Gutteridge Gate, Dover Road, Canterbury
John Attwood age 30 turnpike gate keeper
Elizabeth  age 30
John  age 8
Ellen  age 7
Charles  age 5
George  age 4
Edward  age 2

I was given Thomas and Phoebe ( Ritchie ) as his parent's by a 6th Cousin
I can not even find a marriage
Carol

Edit: Re looking at what you posted i guess John age 8 could have been counted twice.

[atth2o]

Edit: Re looking at what you posted i guess John age 8 could have been counted twice.

Hi Carol,

I think you may have looked at that wrong.  Thomas is age 8 in my transcription.  This would be John's brother if my transcription is correct.  (Which it doesn't look like it is?)

Has the family always lived in the same area?  Or moved around from generation to generation.  Are you sure the 1841 census that you have for the son John is correct?  It will give us something to work with.

Have you tried or found any surname variations through the years?

Nancy

[carol80]

The Attwood's all seem to come from Kent.
John Edward Attwood b 1808 Canterbury Kent married Elizabeth Mary ( Hunt ) 1830 Nottingham. John and Elizabeth died in New Zealand. All of their 6 Children were born in Kent. In the 1860's this family left England for New Zealand, Canada and the USA. One Daugther stayed in England. The only Census i am pretty sure on is 1861
1861Census
RG9/53 folio 112 page 10
86 York St, St Margaret's Westminster, Middlesex (London)
John E ATTWOOD head  grocer 51 b. Kent
Elizabeth wife 55 b.Dover Kent
Charles H son 25 b. Kent
Robert son 18  Kent
Emma MUNN grandau 13 b.Paddington Middlesex
Frederick W MUNN grandson 2 b.Paddington Middlesex

Any help much appreciated
Carol

[atth2o]

Hi Carol,

Can you post what you think is the 1851 census data for the son John.  Once I know where they are and the children, we may be able to pinpoint them.  (The Parents)

Have you tried name variations?  The reason I ask is because I am researching ATTWATER.  By the way, Sophia is a very common name in my line.  Phoebe may be a short form/pet form of Sophia.

I have to call it a night here so I will try to see what I can find for you tomorrow.

Nancy

[carol80]

1851 Ages do not match
1851 HO107/1624 Folio 411
all born Canterbury, Kent
John Attwood Head 52         Victualler
Elizabeth Wife 47
John Son 20                          Billard Marker
George Son 16                     Tin Plate Worker
Jane Dau 15
Morris Son 13
Edwin Son 9
Dover Lane (Chance), Canterbury, Kent
This what i was given for 1851 but so much is not matching.
Children of John i have are;
John Edward b 1833 Canterbury
Ellen Maria b 1834 Kent
Charles Henry b 1836 Canterbury
George Hunt b 1837 Canterbury
Edward b 1839 Dover
Robert b 1843 Canterbury ch Dover ( My Children's Line )

Thank you for your help

[atth2o]

Hi Carol,

I took a closer look at the census data and there are a few errors.  If you compare the census data for John and family, it does look like the 1861 census may be the correct one.

Name          1841     1851     1861

John            30         52         57
Elizabeth     30         47         55
John E.         8           20         *
Ellen M.        7           *           *
Charles H.    5           *           25
George H.     4          16          *
Edward         2          *            *
Jane              *          16          *
Morris            *          13          *
Edwin           *           9            *
Robert          *           *            18

In 1841 the ages were sometimes rounded up or down to the closest years in age.  30 for 33 etc.  You can't base the following census on those ages.  Edwin and Edward could be the same person.  I have seen this in my own family switching the name around.  The other possibility is that Morris is the middle name of Edward.  (Or vise versa) This would make more sense.  Robert could also have the middle name of Edwin?  This would make sense.  Anyway, I have had middle names show up on family members after they were christened as well as had family members switch names back and forth on census and was lucky enough to have both names on one census to prove this.

John Sr. was mistranscribed in 1861.  The age is 57.  For some reason, people were not good with keeping track of ages and this may be the case here.  Some of my census are just like this case.  Based on the location and the other census data, this 1851 census family seems to be your best choice. 

Now digging through the other census for Thomas and Phoebe is another topic.  I would get back to that cousin and find out where she found those names.  If she can get you a copy, it would be helpful to know what the location was as Canterbury has many Parishes to get data out of.

In England it is common to name your first boy after the fathers father.  I did find a Thomas Attwood born to John Attwood & Susannah in St. Dunstan, Canterbury 13 Mar, 1779.  IGI  Batch P015151.

Based on this, Thomas may have a middle name of John?  I don't know if this is too much of a stretch but there is a John & Sophia Attwood on the census.  It's getting pretty late here.  Let me know what you think.  I can post those census if you want to take a look.

Nancy 
 

[carol80]

I think i will do some more digging on  this family.
If necessary i will re post
Thank you for your help and time. It is most appreciated
Regards
Carol