Sheepknowes. Hutton-Corrie. JohnstoneJ

[Corriebell]

Would be interested to hear from anyone who may have connections to Johnstones,Bells or Martindales at this address in Hutton-Corrie.
 Also John and Elizabeth Anderson in Borgue,Kirkcudbright (Elizabeth in Balmangan Bay in 1851) daughter Whilhelmina,and son John.
 Corriebell.

[Reiver]

Hello Corriebell

There was a Johnston famly at Sheepknowe in 1841.   Do you want the details or do you know of them already?  There were also several Bell families in Hutton & Corrie at the same time.

Regards
Reiver

[Corriebell]

Thank you Reiver,
Yes I have the 1841 census you mention,and have pretty much exhausted all avenues to find another family connection (I did locate a 6th cousin on the Johnstone side some time ago). My line of Bell's comes from Thomas Bell and Jean Moffat born c 1780. Dryfesdale.
  My gt gt Grandfather James was one of their children.
James's daughter Janet married John Martindale who's backgrounded remains shrouded,despite much effort!!
 I guess this is just a last ditch attempt before I admit my brick wall-- hard to do as researching has been fun and a challenge. Thanks anyway,and good luck with your own adventure. Corriebell.

[Bell-Aitken]

Hi Corriebell,
this is my first ever use of Rootschat.com

I have now been researching my Bell-Aitken family for the past 10 years and have always used Ancestry.co.uk, Scotlandspeople.gov.uk and various other sites.
I also visit the Ewart Library every year and I come from Leeds. (next visit to be the last week of this month, twice this year!).

My Great Great Grandfather 'James John Bell' was a School Teacher in Ecclefechan.

His Father was 'Walter Bell' who was born at 'Wyliehole' in Tundergarth, he was baptized on the 11th of November 1799.

His wife, my Great Great Great Grandmother, 'Margaret Aitken' was baptized on the 24th of March 1796.
she was born just one mile up the road from Wyliehole at 'Sheepknowes' Hutton & Corrie (see attached photo)

Also whilst doing my research to find out when they were married?
I came across the following information which may be of use to you:-

Hutton & Corrie M.I's
James Bell who died at Glasgow 1832 age 26 years, also Jane Johnstone relict of the above who died at Sheepknows 10th February, 1880 age 80 years. Also John Johnstone who died at Sheepknowes April, 1849 age 86 years. Also Agnes Johnstone relict of the above who died at Sheepknowes 12th August, 1855 age 88 years. Also Samuel Johnstone their son who died at Sheepknowes 20th May, 1879 aged 68 years.
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John Bell who died at Huntly Lodge, Sale, Cheshire, 31st March, 1888 aged 57 years. Also of Jessie Kirkwood Bell wife of John Martindale who died at Sheepknowes, Corrie 17th February, 1894 aged 66 years. Also John Anderson Martindale husband of above who died at Penlaw Brae, Corrie 27 December 1916 aged 88 years.
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1841 Census for Sheepknowes

John Johnstone    aged 75
Agnes Johnstone    aged 70
Samuel Johnstone    aged 25
Jean Johnstone    aged 35
John Bell       aged 9
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1851 Census for Sheepknowes

Agnes Johnstone    aged 83 Head, Widow, Occupation: Farmer of 8 acres
Jean Bell               aged 50 Daughter of Agnes Johnstone, Widow, Occupation:Labourer agricultural
Samuel Johnstone   aged 41 Son of Agnes Johnstone, Unmarried, Occupation:Shepherd.
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1881 Census for 104 Northenden Road, Huntly House, Sale, Cheshire

John Bell                    aged 50 Head, Married, Birthplace: Scotland, Occupation: Merchant
Marianne Bell              aged 41 Wife, Married, Birthplace: Ilminster, Somerset
John Martindale            aged 23 Nephew, Unmarried, Birthplace: Scotland, Occupation:Clerk
Aggie Martindale            aged 16 Niece, Unmarried, Birthplace: Chesterfield, Derby
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I also came across a John Matindale married to Janet Bell 17th May 1853 in Hutton & Corrie, but I am not sure were this fits in.

Kind Regards
Charles



 

[Corriebell]

Hello Charles, and thank you so much for sending this information. Yes these are all my by-gone relatives and I too have visited Sheepknowes and have the records you have kindly passed on to me.It's quite exciting having someone whose ancestors if not directly related must surely have known each other. I wonder whether our respective " Bells" were related.  John Johnstone "The Bard of Corrie" who moved into Sheepknowes in 1819, was Father in law to James Bell---the one who died in 1832 aged only 26 yrs. James appears to have been born in Dryfesdale, Lockerbie. So your Margaret Aitken was born in Sheepknowes about 23 yrs before the Johnstones moved in. How strange.
 The John Martindale who married Janet Bell in 1853 was my great Grandfather and John Bell was her brother. He  (John Bell) was a woollen Merchant in Manchester. The confusion arises because Janet started calling herself Jessie and her middle name Kirkwood. Do you know who Walter Bell's parents are? He was born about 6 years before James Bell and only a year or so before James's brother William!
Great to have this contact. All the best with your own research--if I come across anything concerning your oldies I'll let you know. We live on the Wirral Peninsula Cheshire, by the way. "Corriebell" Shirley.

[Bell-Aitken]

Hi Shirley, thanks for your reply.

Walter Bell's father was William, not quite sure who his wife was, other than it was Margaret.
I hope, when I return to the Ewart Library at the end of the month I will find out
Walter's marriage to Margaret Aitken, abt 1819-1836 also more information of his parents.

Incidentally, when my Great Great Grandfather James John Bell died, his eldest son Walter (b. 1859 Ecclefechan)  went to live with his aunt at Rockferry, he married Mary Evelyn McCandlish in 1897 at Chorlton.
Walter didn't have any children. He lived at the following addresses in the Wirral:-

162  Bedford Road, Rockferry
18    Mill Lane, Liscard
15    Heron Road, Great Meols
13    Falkland Road, Egremont

Coincidence or what that you also live in the Wirral!!!

Walter died on the 21st April 1921 aged 61 and is buried at Bebington.

Kind regards
Charles

[Corriebell]

Hello again Charles. Well I wrote you a reply 2 nights ago and my computer, or something lost it! since when I have tried in vain to retrieve it. Now I can't remember what I told you!!Yes it is a coincidence they lived in Wirral and also that there was a marriage in Chorlton . My Grandfather James Bell Martindale and other family members lived close by.
Have you used the archives in Dumfries, opposite Robert Burn's house? I got some interesting newspaper clippings   including an obituary and a wedding gift presentation---that sort of thing. I just mentioned the name I was looking for and they found the microfiche for me.
I found from death records for Hutton Corrie  that a Mary Beattie died of old age(81) and burning at Sheepknowes on 3rd 5th 1836. That was during the time the Johnstones (John and Agnes) lived there with their daughter Jean who married James Bell. I wondered if "burning" described a fever. Any chance you could find out who Mary Beattie was while you are at The Ewart?I've seen a couple of references to Walter Bell---I think I googled the name with Wyliehole.
Have a good time when you go to Dumfriesshire---we always enjoy that part of Scotland. Best Wishes, Shirley Bell Ross.Otherwise known as Corriebell.

[Bell-Aitken]

Hi Shirley,
I have had a fantastic time in Dumfries last week,  my head is ringing with Bell's!!!
Had a great time scrubbing down headstones and chopping back overgrown trees with a hand saw in that nice crisp Dumfriesshire weather.

I have never had as much information in all the ten years of research.
It will keep me going for months ahead sorting and typing.

The only information I could find for you was that Mary Beatty was b. 3rd Oct 1752 in Hutton and Corrie and her father was John Beatty.

Mary Beatty was married to William Armstrong on the 8th Feb 1771 in the Parish of Hutton and Corrie.

I hope this is of use to you.

Regards
Charles

[Corriebell]

Hello Charles---Glad to hear you are home from Dumfriesshire with such a dearth of info.--I do know how good it feels to track down and scrub up some lonely old gravestone! I'm sure you took photos too and as you say will be thoroughly enjoying sorting all the fresh evidence you brought back. Dumfriesshire is a lovely place to find our ancestors.Thanks for the info on Mary Beattie,although she isn't connected as far as I know to my family---just happened to live in the same house.Good luck with your newly kindled interest. Sincerely, Shirley.