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Beurle and Birch, Birmingham 1851 and 1861 census look up please!
« on: Tuesday 23 November 04 17:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I am looking for information on Birch and Beurle families in the Birmingham (Warwickshire) area. 

Alfred Joseph Birch, who was 21 in 1863, so I estimate birth as being around 1842.  His father was John Birch and his profession was a coppersmith.

Susannah Elizabeth Beurle was 18 in 1863, so I estimate her birth as being around 1845.  she was born in Chatham in Kent but married Alfred Joseph Birch at St Peter's Chapel, St Peter's Place, Birmingham.  I don't know how long the family had been in the Birmingham area but I am hoping they might appear on the 1861 census somewhere in the area.  Susannah Elizabeth Beurle's father was Fidell Beurle, occupation clockmaker.

I hope that somebody, somewhere can find these two up to now elusive characters!

Many thanks,

Sorcha
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Re: Beurle and Birch, Birmingham 1851 and 1861 census look up please!
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 November 04 04:56 GMT (UK) »
Sorry can not locate any of these people on the 1851 census for Warwickshire Devon and Norfolk....Have tried every variant I can think of to no avail...Sorry Kris  :'(
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Re: Beurle and Birch, Birmingham 1851 and 1861 census look up please!
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 November 08 00:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sorcha,
I hope you are still logged on to this site.  I have just started doing family research and have discovered that Fidel Beurle is my great great great grandfather.  My Great Grandmother was Ada Birch.  I don't have a lot of information, but I do have a photo of her.  and some of her siblings.  Her daughter was also Ada, and was my grandmother on my father's side.  I was very interested to hear that Fidel was a German clockmaker, as my Great great grandfather on my mother's side was an Austrian clockmaker!
I am wondering how closely we are related.
Best wishes,
AnneF

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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 February 13 09:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sorcha,
I hope you are still logged on to this site.  I have just started doing family research and have discovered that Fidel Beurle is my great great great grandfather.  My Great Grandmother was Ada Birch.  I don't have a lot of information, but I do have a photo of her.  and some of her siblings.  Her daughter was also Ada, and was my grandmother on my father's side.  I was very interested to hear that Fidel was a German clockmaker, as my Great great grandfather on my mother's side was an Austrian clockmaker!
I am wondering how closely we are related.
Best wishes,
AnneF


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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 February 13 09:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sorcha and Anne F
Have been researching my family tree for a couple of years now and came across your posts yesterday. My grandmother Florence Elizabeth Birch was a child of Alfred Joseph Birch and Susannah Elizabeth Beurle. I have not been able to find her birth record but know that she was married aged 30 to Robert Ernest Rigby on June 27 1914 at the parish church of St Peter, Birkdale in Southport.

I found Alfred Joseph Birch in the following Census

1871 aged 28 working as a licences hawker and living in St John St in Birmingham with his wife and 3 children - Alfred, Ada and Clara
1881 aged 38 working as a glazier and living at 6 East View, Liverpool with 4 more children - John, Joseph, Elizabeth and William.

I found an Elizabeth Birch and Joseph aged 15 in the 1891 Census living with Clara Rimmer.

If you have any information about my grandmother I would be very grateful.
Best wishes

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 March 15 15:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sorcha and Anne F
Have been researching my family tree for a couple of years now and came across your posts yesterday. My grandmother Florence Elizabeth Birch was a child of Alfred Joseph Birch and Susannah Elizabeth Beurle. I have not been able to find her birth record but know that she was married aged 30 to Robert Ernest Rigby on June 27 1914 at the parish church of St Peter, Birkdale in Southport.

I found Alfred Joseph Birch in the following Census

1871 aged 28 working as a licences hawker and living in St John St in Birmingham with his wife and 3 children - Alfred, Ada and Clara
1881 aged 38 working as a glazier and living at 6 East View, Liverpool with 4 more children - John, Joseph, Elizabeth and William.

I found an Elizabeth Birch and Joseph aged 15 in the 1891 Census living with Clara Rimmer.

If you have any information about my grandmother I would be very grateful.
Best wishes
Hi bookworm16
I hope you are still logged on to this site. Alfred Joseph Birch and Sussanah Elizabeth Beurle were my great great grandparents. I have some information on Florence Birch which I gained from speaking to her son William Birch, formerly Wright. It would be great to swap notes about Florence as details of her birth remain a mystery.
Best wishes.

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Re: Beurle and Birch, Birmingham 1851 and 1861 census look up please!
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 11 March 15 16:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sorcha and Anne F
Have been researching my family tree for a couple of years now and came across your posts yesterday. My grandmother Florence Elizabeth Birch was a child of Alfred Joseph Birch and Susannah Elizabeth Beurle. I have not been able to find her birth record but know that she was married aged 30 to Robert Ernest Rigby on June 27 1914 at the parish church of St Peter, Birkdale in kSouthport.

I found Alfred Joseph Birch in the following Census

1871 aged 28 working as a licences hawker and living in St John St in Birmingham with his wife and 3 children - Alfred, Ada and Clara
1881 aged 38 working as a glazier and living at 6 East View, Liverpool with 4 more children - John, Joseph, Elizabeth and William.

I found an Elizabeth Birch and Joseph aged 15 in the 1891 Census living with Clara Rimmer.

If you have any information about my grandmother I would be very grateful.
Best wishes


Hi bookworm16
As a new member to the forum I am not yet allowed to use the PM facility.
My grandparents were William and Jessie Constance Birch who lived at 106 Boundary Street, Southport.
I have been researching my family tree for many years now and it must have been around the early 80's when I had a chat with William Birch.
I would be very interested to know your source of information regarding (a) your statement that Florence was a child of Alfred Joseph Birch and Susannah Elizabeth Beurle and (b) that Florence had a middle name Elizabeth.

Best wishes

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 13 March 15 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Alfred Birch was name of Florence's father on her marriage certificate. Also Florence's brother Alfred was buried in the same grave as her in 1907 aged 42. There is an Alfred born in 1865 in the 1871 Census with a father Alfred Joseph and mother Susannah Elizabeth Beurle. In the 1881 Census Susannah seems to be referred to as Elizabeth Alfred and Elizabeth now have a 3 month old son William. Is this your William?
The family do not seem to be together in the 1891 Census. I found Elizabeth(Susannah?) Birch living with Clara Rimmer and Joseph aged 15. Then in the 1911 Census an Elizabeth(Susannah) Kell born in Birmingham is living in in Wetherby on poor relief with her grandson William Wright (Birch) This would fit in with the story my mum told me that her mother was in service in Yorkshire and had an illegitimate son. All this did not come to light until my Uncle Bill applied for a passport when he found that his name on his birth certificate was Wright not Birch. Elizabeth Kell was buried in the same grave as Florence in 1913.
It is quite a long time since I did my research and looking back maybe the links to Susannah Elizabeth Beurle are tenuous. I have never been able to find Florence's actual birth. When she died she was living at 159 Boundary Street, Southport. My Aunt told me Florence's middle name was Elizabeth.
I would be interested to know what info William Birch gave you as Uncle Bill was apparently very reluctant to talk about his background to my mum Joan Ada Rigby and my Aunty Anne.
I have rambled on but hope some of the info is of help to you.

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 14 March 15 21:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Alfred Birch was name of Florence's father on her marriage certificate. Also Florence's brother Alfred was buried in the same grave as her in 1907 aged 42. There is an Alfred born in 1865 in the 1871 Census with a father Alfred Joseph and mother Susannah Elizabeth Beurle. In the 1881 Census Susannah seems to be referred to as Elizabeth Alfred and Elizabeth now have a 3 month old son William. Is this your William?
The family do not seem to be together in the 1891 Census. I found Elizabeth(Susannah?) Birch living with Clara Rimmer and Joseph aged 15. Then in the 1911 Census an Elizabeth(Susannah) Kell born in Birmingham is living in in Wetherby on poor relief with her grandson William Wright (Birch) This would fit in with the story my mum told me that her mother was in service in Yorkshire and had an illegitimate son. All this did not come to light until my Uncle Bill applied for a passport when he found that his name on his birth certificate was Wright not Birch. Elizabeth Kell was buried in the same grave as Florence in 1913.
It is quite a long time since I did my research and looking back maybe the links to Susannah Elizabeth Beurle are tenuous. I have never been able to find Florence's actual birth. When she died she was living at 159 Boundary Street, Southport. My Aunt told me Florence's middle name was Elizabeth.
I would be interested to know what info William Birch gave you as Uncle Bill was apparently very reluctant to talk about his background to my mum Joan Ada Rigby and my Aunty Anne.
I have rambled on but hope some of the info is of help to you.

Hi
Alfred Joseph Birch and Susannah Elizabeth Beurle had seven children:
Alfred b. 1865 in Birmingham
Ada b. 1867 in Birmingham
Clara b. 1870 in Birmingham
John b. 1874 in Birmingham
Joseph b. 1875 in Birmingham
Elizabeth b. 1877 in Birmingham
William b. 1880 in Liverpool
The family moved from Birmingham to Liverpool and then to Southport.

(The William above is the one you refer to as being 3 months old. John Birch b.1874 married an Eliza Jolley and had a son William - who is my grandfather).

Nobody I have spoken to knows how Florence fitted into the Birch family - someone thought she could have been a half sister to Alfred, Clara, Ada, etc.

Susannah Elizabeth Birch fly  Beurle was in Southport in 1891 and her marital status is recorded in the Census as Married. There is no record of Alfred Joseph Birch in the 1891 Census  - he just seems to disappear from the face of the earth without any further trace. Also I have been unable to find the whereabouts of his son Alfred Birch in either the 1891 or 1901 Census although we know he was back in Southport in 1902. In 1896 the marriage of Joseph Birch to Mary Ann Jolley records that Alfred Joseph Birch is deceased. Susannah Elizabeth Birch moves to Tadcaster, Leeds presumably connected with Florence being there but what was the connection between  Florence and Tadcaster?  In 1904  Susannah Elizabeth marries Stephen Kell in Tadcaster. He dies in 1909 at the age of 79.

As you know William is born to Florence in 1907 and the 1911 Census records he is being looked after by his grandmother (Susannah) Elizabeth Kell. By September 1911 William has enrolled at Bury Road School in Southport and his guardian is recorded as Mrs Kell, grandmother. I have found a 'possible' trace for Florence in 1911 - in the Leeds Union Workhouse, Beckett Street, Leeds. Her occupation is recorded as domestic servant.
Elizabeth Kell is buried in Duke St Cemetery Southport together with her son Alfred, her daughter Elizabeth (and 2 children ) and Florence Rigby.
I would be very interested to know if you have any information on what happened to Alfred Joseph Birch.

Best wishes