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1871/1891 - Lookup please
« on: Wednesday 28 February 07 13:42 GMT (UK) »
Looking for the household details of a William Henry Vellis (or Villis) b.~1864 in Somerset who is on the 1901 with "reportedly" wife Margaret b1867 - see RG13/5006 F/12 P/15 - can someone confirm this please?

However I'm confused (OK OK not difficult I know) as reportedly the wife's name in earlier censi was Mary Hannah (nee Elms) - and I did find a marriage on FreeBMD - Q2 1884 Pontypridd 11a 566 - I also it's reported that she didn't die until ~1971 !


So as well as household details - I'm hoping to clear up the wife's name confusion...

TIA HiFly

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Re: 1871/1891 - Lookup please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 02 March 07 07:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
There are two possible entries for a William Vellis which might be the source of the confusion in 1901.

1. William Vellis b 1867, Bridgwater Somerset,
spouse Ellen.  Residence.  Bridgwater

2. William Hy Vellis b 1864 Stowra Somerset England
wife Marg't.  (age 34)  Residence. Mountain Ash Glamorgan.
Children Albert J., Edward, Francis J., Mary H., Rosina, William F.,

Does that help?
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Re: 1871/1891 - Lookup please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 02 March 07 07:46 GMT (UK) »
Me again  ;D

In 1891, RG12/1884 folio 19 p31
William Vellis, age 27, Lodger, born Bridgwater Somerset,
General Labourer, Employed.
Residence :  Bridgwater. The writing is very feint - South Street, Cottage ???
he is lodging with Cordelia Billings, although Ancestry gives her name as Cordelia Taylor ! It clearly says Billings on the image, the family above are the Taylor's.
No wife.

off to look for any more..
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Re: 1871/1891 - Lookup please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 02 March 07 07:58 GMT (UK) »
sorry, having problems finding the family in 1891, William is listed on 1901 as age 15, and Francis as 11, tried looking for them, but not finding yet.
have to go now but will check back later,
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Re: 1871/1891 - Lookup please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 02 March 07 10:39 GMT (UK) »
I've searched and failed to find the family in 1891, but I did find this interesting entry
49 Augusta St, Ynysybwl RG12/4414 folio 121 pg 38
William Evans head mar 36 quarryman b. Hereford, Pembridge
Fanny wife 31 b. Breconshire, Tireston(?)
John J son 10 b. Mountain Ash
George H Villis adopted son 3 b. Mountain Ash

from FreeBmd all entries Pontypridd
birth - William Henry Vellis june qtr 1883 vol 11a pg 383
death William Henry Villis age 0 sept qtr 1883 vol 11a pg 175
which is before the marriage in june qtr 1884

births Richard Villis june qtr 1885 vol 11a pg 382
William Frederick Villis june qtr 1885 vol 11a pg 382
twins?
but death reg Richard Villis 0 june qtr 1885 vol 11a pg 233
George Henry Villis june qtr 1887 vol 11a pg 434
Edward Aquila Villis dec qtr 1891 vol 11a pg 450
Mary Hannah Villis mar qtr 1895 vol 11a pg 548
Albert James dec qtr 1897 vol 11a pg 483
Rosina Elizabeth dec qtr 1899 vol 11a pg 500
there are a couple more who died who might be theirs, but I can't a registration for Francis J aged 11 in 1901
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: 1871/1891 - Lookup please
« Reply #5 on: Friday 02 March 07 11:44 GMT (UK) »
I can't a registration for Francis J aged 11 in 1901
Thanks for your assistance so far Osprey

I think I found it - FreeBMD Q3 1889  Bridgwater  5c 348

Looks like she may have had Francis whilst visiting the in-laws?

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Re: 1871/1891 - Lookup please
« Reply #6 on: Friday 02 March 07 23:54 GMT (UK) »
That's a sneaky move - registering your baby when you're visiting relatives!  I hadn't thought to look further than Pontypridd registration district as I'm sure that it says born Mountain Ash on the 1901 - is there another one in Somerset ?  ;)  ;D


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: 1871/1891 - Lookup please
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 03 March 07 12:43 GMT (UK) »
Not got my files with me today...to answer your question....will get back to you on that ASAP..

Thanks....HiFly
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Re: 1871/1891 - Lookup please
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 07 March 07 03:31 GMT (UK) »
Nope - didn't find any more in my files.

Looks like lookup complete. Thanks to Osprey & Newbie.

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KENNEDY - Bewcastle/Stapleton, Cumberland
& Haltwhistle, Northumberland
VALLIS/VALLAS/VILLIS - Everywhere in UK
SHAW - Liverpool
WRIGHT - Canada & Liverpool
ELLIS - Wiltshire & India
FUCHS/BRUNEDER - Austria
CMYRAL - Bohemia