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35th Foot Regiment 1808-1821
« on: Friday 16 March 07 19:14 GMT (UK) »
can anyone help in finding information on the 35th foot.

What would they have been doing in Ireland in these dates ? and how or where can I find more information please.

Steve
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Re: 35th Foot Regiment 1808-1821
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 March 07 16:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Steve.
Try this web-site.
www.btinternet.com/~the35thfootproject/
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Re: 35th Foot Regiment 1808-1821
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 March 07 16:57 GMT (UK) »
Steve,

They would have been garrison-ing and/or depot-ing!

Generally British Army regiments consisted of two battalions, designated "1st" and "2nd".  While one was on active service abroad the other would be stationed at home, on "Garrison" duties, being moved around frequently to keep interest and fitness up.  In times of severe crisis both battalions might serve abroad simultaneously.

[During 1808-1821 "Home" meant all of Britain and Ireland, together with their associated islands - especially the strategically important Channel Islands.]


Each battalion consisted of 10 companies, consisting of 80-100 men.
Two of the companies were designated "Depot", responsible for provisioning the regiment with supplies - including new recruits.

[Recruits were given a bonus to sign up, and paid 1s per day.
Standard service term was 12 years, with expectation of 6 "safe" years at home and 6 "interesting" years abroad "with the colours".
Men could be transferred between the two battalions of the regiment, usually to maintain the strength of the active battalion, or out to other regiments, sometimes at their own request.]

Most of these depot companies were based at home, even if the main body of their regiment was in action in foreign parts.  The 8 active companies of a battalion on garrison duties could be serving in multiple locations at one time, frequently separate from the depot companies.


When in Ireland it is likely that the 35th Foot would have concentrated its recruiting efforts in Co. Antrim, especially Belfast - the town of its creation!

In 1693 the 3rd Earl of Donegall (CHICHESTER) was commissioned by William III (William Henry, Prince of Orange) to raise a regiment consisting exclusively of Belfast men. They were given permission to use the orange colour on their badges - hence their later nickname "The Orange Lillies".  The were also known as the "Old Belfast" regiment.

They had an interesting history, losing their founding Colonel at Barcelona in 1705 and nearly being wiped out in 1707 at Almansa.  In North America in 1757, they had a hair-raising time escaping from Fort William Henry along with the last of the Mohicans, then helped Wolfe take Quebec.  They fought at Boston and New York during 1775-78 then soaked up the sun in the West Indies for 7 years.  They won battle honours at Maida in Sicily in 1806, but their ranks were depleted.

They adopted the name "Royal Sussex" in 1804, this to reflect that most of their recent recruitment had been coming from that County.
[Recruiting in Ireland had been banned following the 1798 rebellion, permitted to restart only in 1806.]

Lots more on the net.
There is a book explicitly on the 35th Regiment.
[Type "35th foot" or "royal sussex" into e.g.  www.webcrawer.com .]



More explicit details can be found in The National Archives at Kew in London:


"The Forlorn Hope"
This book has short histories on each regiment, including general campaign information.
[Available to consult at the Help Desk.]

"History of the British Army"
Huge set of tomes by Sir John FORTESCUE.
[Available to consult in the Library.]

WO 12 records "General Musters & Paylists"
These list the men who served.
Locations and activities can also be seen/deduced.
[Available to consult in the Reading Room.
For 1/35 Battn, from 1808-1821, order WO 12/4960 to 4965
For 2/35 Battn, from 1808-1817, order WO 12/5020 to 5024]

WO 97 records "Royal Hospital Chelsea"
These list men who were pensioned off, if they had completed their service, or had been wounded and declared unfit.
[Available to consult in the Reading Room.
 Their names have all been electronically indexed.
 Searchable online at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk .]

[However, Irish men were generally returned to Kilmainham in Dublin.]

Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: 35th Foot Regiment 1808-1821
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 March 07 18:09 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Dixie

did find this originally but did not realize how to move about it..lol
looks like 1807-1815 are to be compiled but I will e-mail them.

Thanks Jock

have found so many Irish from Antrim on  www.nationalarchives.gov.UK

A trip to kew is needed now as I can not work out how to order from them on-line ;D (never thought I would find my lot in London..lol) and there is obviously more to read of intrest there

Looks like I have a couple of family members and if they staid in Ireland for sometime would make sense for children being born and long gaps between some.

Also seems sons followed their fathers and grandfathers to the same regiment as they were eventually called Royal Sussex Regiment,and why some went to USA.

some have pensions and should have the addresses where it was paid.

If any one has any I.S.B.N. for books on the 35th Foot please let me know

Thanks both
Steve
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Re: 35th Foot Regiment 1808-1821
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 March 07 00:50 GMT (UK) »
Steve,

Yep, Co. Antrim men feature in many regiments.

My specific knowledge is based on extensive analysis of the 13th Regiment, known as "(Prince Albert's Own) Somerset Light Infantry", during th Zulu wars if 1878-79, based on data gathered during an incredible lifetime's work by Mr. J.C. KENWORTHY.

[That regiment was originally formed by a vulnerable-feeling James II, but then nearly doubled in size in 1689 by order of William III, with new recruits sourced from Coventry/Belfast.]


Also from tracing a James WHITTLE, a Napolonic-era ex-soldier buried in Belfast, having followed his final old regiment there after his discharge in France, presumably to be near his old comrades, only to die shortly after.

Be aware that the "Napoleonic" times were somewhat chaotic.

Many battalions were reorganised, or even disbanded/amalgamated.
Many new battalions were created, pulling resources from elsewhere.
Tracing a soldier's career path through the regiments of that time can be a complex task ... and the fine details of records were not always completed.  The paylist books are the real items, as carried about in the field.

The pension documents can help identify next of kin or the target addresses of their intended travel on exit.


At least one third of the British Army of the day were composed of men of "Irish" origin (of all persuasions).

The most famous was the Duke of Wellington.

Famously, he was a tad ambiguous about his birthright.
Goaded about his "humble" origins, in a heated debate during his later political career, he replied:
"Just because I was born in a stable doesn't make me a donkey!"


The concentration of Irish men was even higher in the Navy.

In his dying delirium at Trafalgar Nelson (forgetting that he had recently been promoted from Rear Admiral) turned to his Irish surgeon and gasped: "Kiss me Beatty".

It was decided that this might be misconstrued by the tabloids of the day.  So, in the official reports, the target of the request was changed to the more-innocent-sounding ship's captain ...

[But I just might have made this up ...
 Hope you won't think a bit rude!]

Capt. Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: 35th Foot Regiment 1808-1821
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 March 07 14:38 GMT (UK) »
rude..no.. ;D

it all makes such intresting reading .

I have been able to find another one from Donegore he joined in Belfast the 35th was pensioned out in 1819 then immediately joined the 8th Royal Veteran Battalion in 1819 in Newry went to Aberdeen then back to Belfast where they were disbanded in 1821.

I always enjoyed reading Bernard Cornwell's" Sharpe" looks like I have a few real ones of my own  ;D

Anyone looking for their rellies in Ireland ........please try the National archives     www.nationalarchives.gov.UK    a wealth of information and could be that brickwall breaker....

Steve
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Re: 35th Foot Regiment 1808-1821
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 March 07 14:52 GMT (UK) »
Steve,

1st Battalion 35th Foot was in Ireland from 1817-1820 but that's it in the period you're looking at.

Their movements:
1st Battn
1806 Italy
1807 Egypt
1809 Ionian Islands
1811 Sicily
1813 Italy
1814 Sicily
1816 Malta
1817 England
1817 Ireland
1820 West Indies

2nd Battn
1805 England
1806 Sicily
1807 Egypt
1808 Italy
1808 England
1809 Holland, Walcheren
1809 England
1813 Flanders
1814 Holland
1815 Belgium, inc Waterloo
1815 England
1817 Ireland, battn disbanded

Are you looking for a specific individual?
Neil
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Re: 35th Foot Regiment 1808-1821
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 March 07 15:52 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Neil

Was not looking for anyone particular really ......until .......,I just seem to fall into the foot Battalions and bingo found a rellie then another and another......

Edward Twig from Donegore has got me over excited today( well it is mothers day ;D)
he did join up in 1809 but if they were in Ionian Islands then, how would he have done that from Ireland ?
must have been injured and is in the Chelsea records and then joined the 8th Royal Veteran.

finding all this military history fascinating

Kew my next stop ;D

Steve
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Re: 35th Foot Regiment 1808-1821
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 March 07 16:02 GMT (UK) »
I hate to throw a spanner in the works Steve, but Edward Twig is listed as being in the 36th Foot rather than the 35th  :) :)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?SearchInit=0&txtsearchterm=edward+twig&txtfirstdate=&txtlastdate=&txtrestriction=&hdnsorttype=Reference&image1.x=0&image1.y=0&image1=GO

I'll recheck movements of the 36th and get back to you.
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