This might be pushing it!

[geordiegal]

Would i be asking too much, if i asked for help again?!!  This has been driving me mad but i can't get anywhere with this one person... Her name was Elizabeth Chapman and she born about 1880, she married Frederick Joseph Usher in 1900, but this is all i k now i can't find parents or siblings or anything else and its driving me potty, can anyone help? Also i need help with her mother in law, Eleanor Briggs, she was born about 1845 and married Edward Tomsett usher in 1866, but thats all i know. Any help would be wonderful. Thanks loads.

[Tati]

Hi Geordiegal,

You are not giving enough information 

Are they the ones in Sunderland on the 1901 census, with a son Thomas aged 9 months, Elizabeth age 21 born Sunderland?

With a name like Elizabeth Chapman , I believe you will have to get hold of the marriage cert, which will give you her father's name & occupation... 

Do you have the marriage cert for Eleanor Briggs & Mr Usher? 

[geordiegal]

Hi Tati. Sorry about the lack of info, unfortunately its about all i have. I think the 1901 census you have is the right one though, they all came from that area.
I don't have Eleanor Briggs' marriage cert either, do you think i'll need it to go any further? I've gone quite a way back with the Usher family its just the Briggs i'm stuck with.

[sillgen]

Oh dear.   Forgive me for being frank but my heart sinks when I see a reply like that.  If you cannot be certain that the family is the one Tati found in 1901 then we need to start with what you do know as fact and try to work back from that.    I think that will probably mean getting certificates so that you have some hard facts to work from.
With common names it is only too easy to go dashing off along a line and after hours of work discover it is the wrong one.   If you can tell us how you got to the Chapman/Usher marriage and what children they had that would be a good starting point.
Andrea

[geordiegal]

Hello Andrea. Right, i do know the Usher/Chapman marriage is right as my father in law, whose family this is, remembers this as these were his grandparents. Hes not sure however about all their children, the only ones he can remember were girls, but that doesn't say there weren't any boys. His mother was Florence Ivy Usher who was born 1906, and she had a sister, Theresa who was born in 1900. One of my father in laws cousins is still alive and his mother was Theresa which is how i'm certain of this. Any of this any help?

[stanmapstone]

From FreeBMD
Births Sep 1900
Usher Teresa  Sunderland 10a 612

Stan

[Tati]

Oops - indeed it's not Thomas but Theresa on the 1901 census !

RG13/4705 194 68
Sunderland
Elgin St
Frederick Usher, head, 22, Miner, b. Durham City
Elizabeth, wife, 21, b. Sunderland
Theresa, dau, 9 mo, b. do.

Right - you need the marriage cert now   

[sillgen]

That does sound more promising.  You can search all the BMDs free on www.ancestry.co.uk and the marriage is likely to be shortly before Theresa's birth.
Andrea

[The Vicars Wife]

www.sunderland.gov.uk

Frederick J Usher = Elizabeth Chapman
1900

The Vicars wife