john henry phillips born in milverton,1859

[andycarolyn1]

hi wonder if anyone can help i am searching for my great grandfather pre 1891.his name was john henry phillips and on 1891/1901 census it says he was born in milverton in 1859,unfortunatelly i cannot find a birth certificate for him.
 i have his marriage certificate he married mary ann palmer on 29 sep 1888 at the parish of the holy trinity,bridgewater.it states his age as 29,labourer,residing at silver street bridgewater.father is named as henry phillips deceased.i cannot find any trace of him or his father before his marriage and the only phillips in milverton in 1861 are henry john ,mother mary and grandfather robert.henry was born in 1854 and on later census is in wales married to a dorcas.
 any info would be greatly appreciated thanks andy

[Tati]

Hi Andy 

Welcome to RootsChat 

I can see a Henry J Phillips born Milverton on the 1861, but he's a little older than expected:

RG9/1609 94 9
Milverton, Somerset
Robert Phillips, head, wid, 60, Ag lab, b. Somerset Thorn St Margaret
Mary, dau, unm, 25, Glove Maker (silk), b. Milverton
Henry J, grandson, 5, scholar, b. do.

Not yours

Will have a look around to see if I can find a better match 

[Tati]

Well, above wasn't good at all - sorry  The Henry J born ca. 1855 is to be found in Wales on later census so I think we can discount him.

Do you have the marriage cert for John and Mary? Does it give a father's name?

I suppose she was Mary Ann Palmer, marriage Sep 1888 Bridgwater 5c 540?

[andycarolyn1]

thanks for that tati ,that was the only census i could find,only birth certificate i can find in 1859 is in bath and it wasn't correct!on 1901 census they spelt surname philipps so i'm wondering if the spelling changed.
details of marriage certificate on first post

[Tati]

It's very frustrating - can't see a match at all 

Have you got the marriage cert? 

Hey, you've edited your original post  Makes me look even thicker than I am 

[andycarolyn1]

yes got marriage certificate
 29 sep 1888 at parish of holy trinity,bridgewater
john henry ,29,labourer,residing silver street bridgewater,father henry deceased no occupation stated
mary ann palmer,21,same address,father richard palmer occupation coachman

1891/1901 census they are at horsey lane ,bridgewater

[andycarolyn1]

sorry tati, didnt edit original think you didnt read all of it ,and no i dont think you are thick
thanks for your input

[Tati]

Blimey - it's even worse than I thought then  Sorry, Andy !!

Arranroots has found a possible candidate family - why don't you post them, Arranroots? 
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=6087470

Only thing is why would he give his birthplace as Milverton on later census? 

[Arranroots]

Hello both

Tati - I am sure the Rootschat fairies have been playing tricks on you!

I wonder if you have considered the birth of John Henry Phillips THORNE Sep 1858 Wellington Somerset (Milverton registers as Wellington) Ref 5c 378

It could be that John was illegitimate and took his father's name later in life: that would explain why he can't be found on other censuses.

Let me know if you want help tracing this chap & I will set our resident expert Tati on the job!

kind regards, Arranroots