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CLUBBs of Airth
« on: Tuesday 10 April 07 22:12 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Looking for any information about the CLUBBs from Airth.   Managed to get back as far as Alexander CLUBB who married Margaret McLARIN on 02/02/1781.  Am now well and truly stuck.  I think Alexander might be the son/nephew/grandson of the James Club of Westfield who built Club's Tomb (the spelling of the Clubb name differs greatly with Club, Clubs, Clubbs, Clube, Clubb all variants).  Can't establish that as a fact, though.  Also can't find any more information from anywhere and am looking for some ideas.  Can anyone suggest an alternative route for me to explore?

Apart from the Alexander mentioned above, there's another one around the same time - possibly slightly earlier - in Airth who married Janet NEILSON or NILLSON.  As far as I can see, he they had 4 children (that I've been able to find) - john b1751, James b1745, Janet b1761 and Elizabeth b1748.  Again, I have no info on birth/marriage/death but I suspect it's a branch of the same family given the surname and location.

Any help greatly appreciated.

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Re: CLUBBs of Airth
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 22:39 BST (UK) »
Hello Masterplumber,

Welcome to Rootschat!

The following Memorial Inscriptions are taken from the pre-1855 East Stirlingshire Book for Airth Churchyard. (The MI's are abbreviated and it's sometimes quite difficult to figure out what exactly the inscription might say)

Here goes . . .

(No. 68)
30.01.1830;
John Clubb died Grangemouth 28.2.1859 aged 75
Jean McNellan died Grangemouth 4.4.1855 aged 74

(No. 69)
30.1.1830
Erected by John Clubb and Jean McNellan to Janet Murray Clubb who died 22.7.1889 aged 69.

I'll have a wee look at the British Vital Records CD's and see if I can find anything else.

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Re: CLUBBs of Airth
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 22:52 BST (UK) »
I can't find anything earlier than the births for the above couple's children who are all listed as born in Falkirk.

If you want the details, let me know.

Anne


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Re: CLUBBs of Airth
« Reply #3 on: Friday 13 April 07 12:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks.  The info on John and Jean was interesting.

John was one of 9 children (that I've found so far) that Alexander and Margaret McLarin had.  He and Jean in turn had 10 children as far as I can see.

Perhaps you can help me understand one part though.

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(No. 68)
30.01.1830;
John Clubb died Grangemouth 28.2.1859 aged 75
Jean McNellan died Grangemouth 4.4.1855 aged 74

(No. 69)
30.1.1830
Erected by John Clubb and Jean McNellan to Janet Murray Clubb who died 22.7.1889 aged 69.

I can't see how these dates make sense.  What do the first dates - 30/01/1830 - refer to?  Is that the date of entry into the book?  If so, how can these dates pre-date the dates of death or erection of memorial?  You can tell I'm new to all of this...

I'd love the birth dates of John and Jean's children too.  I think I've dientified aobut 10 so it would be useful to cross check.

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Re: CLUBBs of Airth
« Reply #4 on: Friday 13 April 07 17:06 BST (UK) »
One of life's little mysteries I'm afraid!!

Unless you could get a hold of the Churchyard Burial Records and from that try and ascertain if this was the date the lairs/plots were purchased . . . . . or perhaps the date of death of one of their children?  Who knows.  It was quite common for people to buy lairs beforehand so the date might have no relevance whatsoever.  (It will be inscribed on the stone, hence the reason for it being listed in the MI book) They probably purchased two, one for themselves and one for their children.

I had a quick look at both Falkirk & Stirling's Archives web-sites but there's no sign of them having any sort of burial records for Airth. Stirling had the Kirk Sessions but that seems to be it.

The only other place to try would be the Cemetery Records Office.  http://www.stirling.gov.uk/cemetries

It might be worthwhile writing/phoning to ask if they have anything - even if was to find out if anyone else was buried in either of the plots.

The numbers 68 and 69 are only reference numbers to the inscriptions - they don't have any bearing on what the actual lair number would be, that you would get from the Records Office also.

If you live locally, it would be worthwhile going for a wee look. The Churchyard isn't very big and providing the stones are still standing and legible, it wouldn't take you very long to find them. If however, you don't live locally, I'm not too far from Airth so I could go and have a look for you.

In the meantime, here's a wee piccy of the Church taken from the Cemetery.

Anne


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Re: CLUBBs of Airth
« Reply #5 on: Friday 13 April 07 17:44 BST (UK) »
Sorry, forgot to add the births of the children!

(I've listed other Club(b)s also in case they're of any use to you.)

CLUBS, Janet, born 7 Feb 1814, christened 22 Feb 1814
Father: James CLUBS   Mother: Agnes MITCHELL

CLUB, Alexander, born 11 May 1818, christened 17 May 1818
Father: John CLUB    Mother: Jean MACNELLEN


CLUB, John Mcnellen, born 16 Oct 1819, christened 1 Nov 1819
Father: John CLUB    Mother: Jean MCNELLEN

CLUBS, Margaret Hamilton, born 5 May 1822, christened 19 May 1822
Father: John CLUBS   Mother: Jean MCNELLAN

CLUB, Alexander, born 3 Oct 1824, christened 17 Oct 1824
Father: John CLUB   Mother: Jean MCNELLEN


CLUB, Elizabeth, born 14 Feb 1849
Father: Alexander CLUB   Mother: Janet MURRAY

CLUB, John, born 4 Mar 1851
Father: Alexander CLUB    Mother: Janet MURRAY

CLUB, James born 26 Jul 1853
Father: Alexander CLUB   Mother: Janet MURRAY

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Re: CLUBBs of Airth
« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 April 07 20:57 BST (UK) »
Anne,

Thanks very much.  I really appreciate you taking the time to do this for me.

I do stay locally so will be heading out to Airth when I get the time for a wee look.

I emailed both Stirling and Falkirk archives this afternoon and will go out to see them when I get a chance.  I also want to go and see Club(b)'s Tomb but I need to check a few things with Falkirk first.

I thought that researching a name like Clubb would be relatively straightforward and found it quite easy I suppose to get back to the marriage of Alexander ad Margaret McLarin in 1781.  But before that it is all a bit of a blank just now.

From what I can gather there was, within Scotland, only really  a branch of the Clubbs in Airth and another in Aberdeenshire.  The Aberdeenshire lot seems to be better documented - perhaps the Aberdonian churchmen were a bit more resolute in record keeping - but I have yet to make the connection between the two branches.  ultimately, of course, I would like to know where the family originates from but that is much further down the line.

In the 80s I worked on a project in Stirling to index the local paper (Stirling Observer).  This involved reading through every single issue and recording salient local facts in a card index.  I remember indexing the marriage of Archibald Clubs in 1863 (I know more about life in Stirling in 1863 than is probably healthy).  It was only last week that I found out that he was my great-great-grandfather.   Obviously, one of the reasons for contacting Stirling archives is to see if they kept that index - I'm fairly sure it was handed over to them when our project folded due to lack of money - and hopefully I can ascertain that next week some time.

Thanks again for your help.

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Re: CLUBBs of Airth
« Reply #7 on: Friday 20 April 07 22:28 BST (UK) »
Went out yesterday to have a wee look and found the gravestones fairly quickly (despite my 4-yr old running aobut like a daftie).

They are exactly as you say. 

The 2 stones sit next to each other and are the same size. At the top of each stone is inscribed the date 30 January 1830.  Then underneath are the inscriptions as you have described.  I don't understand how this can work.  Were the stones perhaps put up in 1830 when the plot was procured?  and then inscribed at time of death?  Seems odd that the inscription dates at the top predate the dates of death.

Also had a quick look at club's Tomb and am going back on sunday for a proper look about.

I'm well and truly stuck at the moment although I have still to get soem information from Stirling council archives.  Managed to find another Archibald - who I think was one of Alexander's sons - who was an ironmonger in Doune.  There are two or three stories related to him on the old Stirling Observer which I am tracking.  In one of them his wife was accidentally poisoned...

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Re: CLUBBs of Airth
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 21 April 07 12:34 BST (UK) »
The significance of 30th January 1830 - perhaps you'll never know!

I would go with the theory that the date would be inscibed,  maybe not exactly when the plots were purchased, but when the stones were erected.

Hopefully somewhere along the line you'll get a wee snippet to link in with this date. I must admit that it is slightly unusual in the fact that it gives the date and month rather than just the year which is far more common.

It's a pity there don't seem to be any burial records for the churchyard, but If you get a chance to read through the Kirk Sessions for 1830, well, you never know what'll turn up. Maybe they had a 'buy one, get one free' day!

Anne