Opinions please on whether I am on right track.

[yellowfurbaby]

Hello all.

Doing some more on my tree and now looking at my Paternal grandmothers side.

Got my Great Grandparents wedding cert from the GRO and have traced there parents from that.

Found the correct records on the 1891 census but when I tried to find the 1881 census it proved more difficult. It looks spot on apart from the ages of the people which do not match by around 3 years. Now if that were just one person I could let it go as I know ages are not always accurate but it seems that all the ages are off. What do you think?

The 1891 info is here

RG12/3121/35 p 19


The 1881 info is here

RG11/3845/52 p15.


It all sounds ok doesn't it? What do you think?

Also I cannot seem to find a record of a marriage between Richard and Isabella.

Thanks guys.

[SheilaM]

Hi

There is a marriage on FreeBMD.

March Quarter 1878 at Bolton Vol 8c P 347

Richard Burrows/Isabella Pilkington & Isabella Simpson on same page.

You would probably have to get one of the children's birth certs to establish which is the correct Isabella.

Still thinking about the rest. 

Sheila

[Sisterjane]

There is also this death in Bolton

James Henry Burrows
1881 Sept Q
Age at death 0
Vol 8c-Page 203

This looks like baby James from the 1881 cencus

Joe

[Aulus]

They look the same, until you get to the age.  In 1891 Richard Burrows gives his age as 42 (I can't see that it says anything else), while in 1881 he thought he was 25, which would mean he's lost or gained 7 years!  Not impossible, particularly if the real dob is somewhere in the middle.  

Personally, I think you need to try to find some further evidence that will indicate these are the same family.

Have you found any of the family on the 1901 census yet?

The two sons on the 1881 census are a bit young to have left home by 1891, so it might be worthwhile looking for their death certificates.  James H's age on the 1881 must be pretty accurate - 4 months - there's not much reason for confusion there.  So he might be a good starting point for further searches.  I see there's a James Henry Burrows born Q1 1881 Bolton 8c 459 and a James Henry Burrows, died Q3 1881 age 0 Bolton 8c 203, so maybe that accounts for him.

But I think your next step is to get some more certificates

[yellowfurbaby]

Hi

There is a marriage on FreeBMD.

March Quarter 1878 at Bolton Vol 8c P 347

Richard Burrows/Isabella Pilkington & Isabella Simpson on same page.

You would probably have to get one of the children's birth certs to establish which is the correct Isabella.

Still thinking about the rest. 

Sheila

I know I found the two Isabellas as well. How annoying is that  that there are two of them both in the same area both marrying someone of the same name. Yes I would need some certs.

I know what you mean about the ages that is what puzzled me. Everything else looks spot on. If it were just Richard then I could think ok he might just not have known but it is the wife and also the child as well that does not match and then of course the missing boys. Looks like they either died between the two censuses which is possible given the child mortality rate or I am on the wrong census altogether.

Thanks for looking. Let me know if you can come up with anything else. 

[andrewalston]

I'm tempted to think it is the same family. Don't forget that the sheet we have is the transcription by the enumerator from the original household schedules. It's not only modern people who mistranscribe. I'd bet on Ann E being born 1866-7.

The occupation seems to match, even if in 1891 it is a little inexact. I'm pretty sure he's minding a Self-acting spinning frame in both censuses.

The trouble is, Richard seems consistent about being born in Bolton, but I'm having trouble finding him earlier. I'm wondering if he's an inveterate liar?

There's an 11-month old Richard Barrow in 1861 (RG9/2822 Fol107 p1) who is a close match, but in 1871 the closest seems to be Richard Barlow, 21, cotton spinner at RG10/3933 Fol56 p55.

Might his mother have remarried and (like my great grandfather) have been brought up with his stepfather's surname (convenient, nobody asks questions) and reverted to his real surname when he married? The marriage certificate would help out here, telling us his dad's name and occupation. The one in Q1 1878 seems a good bet. Only one of the two Isabellas married Richard, so he's the name to mention when ordering, if that's the only way to find out.

I bet that she was a Pilkington. There's a birth of Ann Ellen Pilkington registered Q4 1876 (8c 442).

[SheilaM]

Hi Andrew

I was thinking along the same lines re Ann Ellen Pilkington b 1876.  It seems a very tight timescale to fit the births of the 2 boys in between Ann E and Mary J with the ages given on the census.

Sheila

[loo]

It wouldn't be the first time someone has found two families that seemed to be one and the same!
It's so tempting to conflate them, isn't it?, but I think you need proof.
I read somewhere that you need at least 3 items that match before you can consider that you've done your job, and no serious detractors.

[SheilaM]

If Isabella's age is correct in 1881 this could be her death.

June Quarter 1900 Bolton
Isabella Burrows aged 42
Vol 8c Page 301

There is this entry in 1901 which looks promising.  They are transcribed as Barrons but looks like Burrows on original.

RG13/3625 Folio 14 Page 20
2 Providence St., Gt. Bolton, Bolton

Richard Burrows 45, Widow, Cotton Spinner, b Bolton
Mary Jane 18, Dau, b Bolton
Florrie 11, b Bolton

His age is in line with the 1881 entry although Florrie is a little out.

BIRTH
June Quarter 1855, Bolton
Richard Burrows, Vol 8c Page 284

Sheila